pretty sure we only need to convince the right 10 people to move to nostr for the majority of technical bitcoin conversation to happen here
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I agree with you Fren
I bet nostr:npub1ch8a4xxsru2jkdynmx27a4xdknv72k5h8yjld702y3mf5k3puauqmszh48 could spin up a coolr.chat for that.
Yeah, send 'em over to Nostr's first IRC like ephemeral chat!
Maybe ephemeral is the middle path between members-only and full peanut gallery participation.
Tengo 20 amigos en los que comparto charlas y comidas juntos, no he podido convencerlos, son muy NPCs, o quizás no hago bien ese trabajo
Do it please 🙌
We should bring running code when engaging in discussion.
How do we incentivize them? Zaps?
It’s pretty disappointing that the one community that should appreciate decentralization and censorship resistance is still not on here yet.
you can't force them it is their free will.
The only way is to show them the advantage and be sexy enough for them.
Wow that's a lot of clout centralization.
We should all block those 10 people when they arrive to preserve some semblance of decentralization.
They seem to like Google more.
The irony in this: the devs of world's largest permissionless monetary protocol hosting their shit with Google.
🤌
And github which is Microsoft...
they also use gmail, perhaps node or instances amazon S3 instance.
and i am sure they use iphone too because it's fun.
You are true, some points are surprising, but it seems they live in the same world than mass people.
I agree with you some points should be more secure.
But some have to built a decentralized git, really secure phones...
I feel the sam about the Tim Hennessy’s and Elijah Schaffer’s of the world along with the Gnoticers.
We need them here, they can’t be banned.
Agreed. We really need Peter Schiff and Jim Cramer in here.
most of them are dead already, all 12 in fact
oh, remember this:
"standing on the shoulders of giants"?
e.g. this Podcast with
nostr:nprofile1qqs8d3c64cayj8canmky0jap0c3fekjpzwsthdhx4cthd4my8c5u47spzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq36amnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3dwp6kytnhv4kxcmmjv3jhytnwv46q6ekpnp
is full of examples:
https://fountain.fm/episode/UnEFbZh9mOpZwICCuHOg
one / and may be the best one /of them:
at 15:38 ...
secure scuttlebutt by Dominic Tarr
where is he, why isn't he on nostr ?
on his sailboat still?
simple: he is not amongst us !
kind of dead, right?
or take David Chaum. not dead, I guess, but not on nostr and won't be.
that's what I mean by saying: these giants are either dead, or not amongst us.
and their worthy successors?
They are already here.
That will have todoo, I guess.
I fckin love the word and the historical use of it:
scuttlebutt
Grok:
"Das englische Wort „scuttlebutt“ lässt sich ins Deutsche am besten mit „Gerücht“, „Klatsch“ oder „Tratsch“ übersetzen. Es bezeichnet informelle, oft unbestätigte Informationen oder Gespräche, die in einer Gruppe kursieren. Der Begriff stammt ursprünglich aus der Seefahrt, wo „scuttlebutt“ ein Trinkwasserfass bezeichnete, an dem Seeleute sich versammelten und Neuigkeiten austauschten."
achow101 went blue sky so that sucks
he could come on #nostr too. so he could see the difference.
Here community is alive.
If someone is using bluesky or mastodon they are halfway already, they just need to learn a little bit more about nostr and the difference.
Especially bluesky.
It's actually crazy how bluesky censors political speech so heavily but does not censor child porn.
Now I'm not intentionally looking but I have no seen any cp on nostr and literally within hours of signing up to bluesky some guy in India was trying to sell me pictures of American children
A kind of follow pack but for people that are not yet on #nostr ?
To list interesting people as a check list. But not sure it is a good idea to make it public. Even if they are ever public people, they would be targeted by spammer too. But a kind of list of people missing on #nostr would be fine to make #grownostr
Interesting #nostridea
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nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx , who’s your ten?
In theory it should be easy as pie - freedom of speech decentralized social network, Bitcoin Zaps system, holding your own access keys
If we have to convince them, are they really the people we want?
why? if it is ephemeral, no history of each point of view.
History is fine, when subject are public.
Thanks for this tools i didn't know yet.
I remember early Flickr. It was *interesting* and attracted new users like a magnet. Same for early Twitter and early Facebook.
Remember Google Plus? Died on the vine. Orkut? Caught on in Brazil for some reason, nowhere else. Ello, "the Facebook killer"? It was very pretty and artsy. Also very dead.
No amount of convincing can make users stay with a platform. You may convince them to try it, but unless it is *INTERESTING* to them, they will not stick around.
MySpace made it easier for people to transfer their data to Facebook, that's the only reason Facebook ever got popular.
Because at the time every other social media platform made it easy to share your data and link accounts.
Now sites like Facebook intentionally make it difficult for people to transfer their data to other social media.
I agree with you to a point. This was not my experience with Facebook however. I didn't have MySpace presence, so I didn't care about data transfer. I jumped on Facebook because it looked interesting. Facebook was also initially "exclusive", meaning you needed an .edu email address to join. This made it just so out of reach and because of that much more desirable for many people at the time. Brilliant marketing move, if intentional.
I remember those…RIP!
I'm sympathetic to this view and my concern is that Nostr wont grow in usage as long as it is primarily bitcoiners on here talking about bitcoin (and Nostr) which really is most of what is discussed. On the other hand Nostr definitely isn't dying, it might not be growing much in the number of users but it is growing in terms of development.
What famous bitcoiners still have the majority of their content/conversations in twitter?
I think the right client and relay could take over from the mailing list. Those 10 devs might jump ship if we can do better than Google Groups and Delving. (We can.)
This is probably key - providing niche clients to incentivize and convince high signal groups / communities to migrate
If we need to convince right 10 to use open protocol not sure what technical conversation would will be. 🤷
Name names nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx
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🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
They must be a pretty rubbish dev if the use only centralised systems like Google and X. Who cares!?
Wen Nostr GitHub
Already have it
Call the new nostr based implementation Bitcoin (hard)Core
Anyone in the Bitcoin community, especially the technical people, the actual developers of stuff. If they're not already on nostr it's for a reason.
I think the people we need to bring over to nostr are not twitter users or more Bitcoin Devs.
They're content creators on tiktok or YouTube, video game devs, hobbyists.
People who make and build shit that's unrelated to Bitcoin.
nostr:nprofile1qqsrpl96thl42ve0gsah63ypz75uunzpgfrd0g2x8nry4ggtef6crdgpypmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerfva5hgctvv4a826m4den8gtnr09hh2qgawaehxw309ahx7um5wghx67t0wahxgctddehx7er99e3k7mgc2ax0x came here then went awol
gmax always eschewed twitter due to character limits but nostr has none...
Let's get some people over here: https://www.nostrchat.io I'm no good at Twitter-like popular posts, but would be fun to chat with everyone in a more telegram style hangout room
Name names
They will or they will become irrelevant.
Current core devs seem more like bluesky types.
You’re spot on ODELL
Absolutely! If we can get just the right folks on board, Nostr could really take off! Let’s spread the word and make it happen. Excited for the future! 🚀🌟
my concern is missing stuff. i'm OCD about it, and sometimes things just get missed on here.
I think its a matter of organizing the data streams.
I use Gossip desktop app for security and responsiveness (private key stays on local machine).
It allows me to put different people in different groups and groups can show all comments / replies of individuals or just main posts / notes.
This reduces noise dramatically. Focus is on what matters.
Cheers bro and thank you for what you do for Bitcoin.
This is where following hashtags comes into play.
Who are these 10 people? Who would you like to discuss here?
Stupid take. Inflated ego.
more like 50
Sad that we gotta try to convince bitcoiners to hold there own keys and post stuff without permission or censorship…
I think the problem is if they have 100s of thousands of followers on x
Making mad money with YouTube and shit like that…. It’s hard to convince anyone to drop all their followers and miss out on on the fiat from YouTube and x
…like yea come over to Nostr with your 25 followers lol
They gotta stay where the money is
And their audience
Not sure how to fix this?
I address this in the second half of my intro podcast about only hosting my contento on Nostr.. For those Who can see the problem with walled gardens now there is an alternative to the fiat platforms the short term cost or loss is worth It for some. Of course there is friction in change, but it's nothing compared to having no alternative, which was the situation I was in back in the day with thousands of followers on the legacy platforms.
Sure, how about warren buffet 😁
Make it happen!
How do we censor the censorship resistance system? My node is being raped 😂 /s
seems like if we just had Luke and Peter here it’s a done deal😂
How do we find em
Hope Eric Voskuil is mentally included on that list of ten
I’m ready (probably).
not if they're gonna be fuckin gay about it
We need better ui. Think about organizing conversations, threads and searching
I’ve got 10 people here, is that good enough ? They seem right to me