Your phone could be made of magic, but it's still gonna leave a record of your movements with the cellular towers.
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Yeah, I use a non contract carrier but I know it still goes through Verizon towers.
Plus backdoored cellular modems with over the air root
If you turn on airplane mode it disables the cellular modem, also if the modem is compromised it can't affect the OS because it's isolated via IOMMU. The only thing a compromised modem could do is ignore airplane mode commands.
If you're going to keep airplane mode on 100% of the time, why would you have a device with a cellular modem? If you're going to turn airplane mode off, your backdoor is open. It's just a thing we have to accept for now if we want to have phones.
Someday we'll have better hardware.
Unfortunately our smart phones nearly always have gsm modules
wish it were possible to have a pocket sized android without the cellular tracking.
pixel tablet, if it were smaller, for instance.
What phone do you recommend?
No phone
GrapheneOS is good if you've got to carry one. The point is never to forget that if you're carrying a phone, you're still being tracked, even if you're limiting the damage from app-based threats. It is baked into the design oftheinfrastructure: if you can see the network, the network can see you. And it takes notes.
Good advice, thank you. We need a viable alternative to traditional phone carriers and towers, most people need to stay connected for work or with family these days, unfortunate that it comes at such a cost.
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What about Pinephone Pro with the modem disabled by the hardware toggle or Librem 5 with the modem removed or disabled via the switch?
How about unplugged phones Ed? Care to share your thoughts?
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Is unplugged worth a view for Americans?
What about phone in flight mode? Can we trust that in your opinion?
I like the punkt phone first gen. Wish it was still compatible and available to get so I can use a simple tech phone again. I miss simple tech in sometime cases. Wish there were more options like that.
Meshtastic anything out of band.
You’re doing better than most of us at least
And a VPN could be a honeypot . . . channeling all your activity into Eye of Sauron
What do you think about silent.link ? It seems that it provides much better privacy if you only use data roaming.
unless your phone is in airplane mode, it is constantly pinging your location, regardless of whether it has a sim / esim
My understanding is that data roaming uses different towers or something and that determining location is more difficult that way. Maybe I’m wrong.
The value of silent.link is the number is not KYC, no account data to go along with the number. But the number is connecting to the towers, and that's triangulated precisely. Frequent location spots like your home will help deanonymize it. There is INVISV PGPP that mitigates these things but it's not open source
I thought the phone number was optional?
They are, you can select with number or not or just data
There is always a phone number whether it is enabled for voice and text or just data. In addition though, there are other unique numbers associated with your sim and IMEI is the one your phone sends to every tower to handshake with to receive service.
Yeah I don't see a number. Anyways I was referring to the IMEI which is a unique identifier.
Yeah nothing we can do about that unfortunately
There is a mitigation provided by PGPP, it uses a zero'd out IMEI, and some other cool things to thwart triangulation, reducing the precision to an area instead of a pinpoint. I think an important factor is number of users for the "hide in a crowd" effect, and I don't know anything about how many users they have. Also I want it to be open source but given their background I doubt it ever will be, it would have to be re-implemented based on their white paper.
Phone still givs off IMEI to the local tower
Phones devices have unique ID. So if its connecting to a tower the tower sees this unique ID and all the towers csn record this. so your home, places you visit. Even with NO sim.
Silent link is great in many many ways. But it still can not hide the built in device ID.
afaik graphene doesn't hide imei's yet or maybe never wil
just use airplane mode
edward snowden himself demonstrated a phone case about 13 years ago that showed that even in airplane mode and even when turned off most phones emit radio signals
welcome to 13 years ago, it's way way way worse now
this is true of google android and iOs, however I understand it is NOT the case for graphene OS
but you have verified gaussmeter evidence that it is true?
I don't think you'd use a gaussmeter but rather a mobile base station so you can measure the incoming pings
This was the approach used by SRLabs when testing their Blue Merle software for IMEI switching
https://github.com/srlabs/blue-merle?tab=readme-ov-file#imei-randomization
doesn't necessarily have to be mobile radio protocol, just something that someone can pick up, doesn't have to be strong, about 20 metres is probably enough, and that won't detect it
The only way is to remove the battery, which was easy on cell phones 20 years ago. Now the quickest and easiest way would be to destroy the phone
Is it enough to remove the SIM card these days?
Joe GL we have someone in our community that works or worked on cell towers
Even if wifi only on Graphene. Your connection patterns even if using VPN are or will be easily trackable.
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What are your thoughts on the unplugged phone?
Is magic open source though?
What if there is only one cellular tower?
What say I use GrapheneOS, keep it on airplane mode, randomize wifi mac, only use public wifi internet with a vpn, and when I'm in a pinch only turn on cellular data with a data-only no-kyc esim?
Do you have a suggestion for this issue?
Many cities I travel to for work and where I live, they offer cellular over "city-wide wifi". Would this be a potential solution?
I also heard T-Mobile will be using Starlink -- but if I understand it correctly, their towers will be linking to Starlink so the phone-tower connection will still be based off current infrastructure -- and thus will not be any more anonymizing.
Maybe a LoRa network for around town?
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