I am not convinced we are “in a race” against people building existing solutions. they are racing to the same demise as previous platforms. Some of us are building slowly and methodically to avoid the issues of the past. Ignore high time preference shortcut takers, let’s do it right.
Doing it right is not just for “pro” users, it’s for everyone, and it will have a better experience.
Agree! I am building something (#nostr #safebox) that is not even part of the current digital wallet ‘race’. Everyone else is building something that has to work on a phone while I am building something that can exist independently on the network.
It's not a race but rather how the models work, decentralized vs centralized.
Centralization has really good moderation, algorithm, and advertisement curating, the downside, is that moderation comes at the cost of potential censorship, the algorithms/ads collect a lot of data.
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Decentralized, no moderation, more freedom but as the Mastodon bridge shows problems can arise there too 😑, the other two seems like we have to explore still.
But really it's tradeoffs, 99% still accept centralized social media right now until the decentralized model is fleshed out more.
The ideal social media has content moderation but allows users to curate their own experience while still stopping the really bad stuff without censorship.
It let's algorithms/feeds be chosen by opt-in community types, or by other mechanisms, keywords, networks, machine learning, etc., and optional ad experience, let users control their data, trade data for money, or benefits/perks, boosted posts, or other ideas.
Really, I don't think either model will function well since it's not in the paradigm of thought.
It's similar to The Jewish vs. Greek understanding of The Bible, two different thought processes, if Nostr wants to attract centralized social media users we will need to compensate/hire ex-facebook, and twitter, etc. employees to help us cater more to those groups perhaps.
we need more builders
100% agree
The way it should be. Racing to pack your software full of shit just makes it unusable very quickly. I prefer to have features that work well before rushing to add more.
Build things for resilience > Move fast and break things
The ‘race’ would be attacking the center, which is futile imo.
You don’t attack entrenched network effects head on, it is pointless; Nostr loses on most of all metrics which got those platforms in that position in the first place, at least for now.
What sets Nostr apart is the openness and interoperability, ability to moderate/curate/censor, all while retaining network effect and censorship resistance. This implies an ecosystem; Nostr’s added value grows not just with every user, but with every new application. The resulting clusterfuck of Venn diagrams will eventually encompass the center from the outside in.
This means two things (at least):
1: we don’t have to attack the center, we can encircle it by conquering the margins of niche communities and use-cases, and grow and strengthen the network as a whole that way. Which is also something the competition can’t do (as effectively).
2: The way this works IS to do it the right way, because otherwise it won’t work. It wont have the features mentioned above making the endeavor ultimately pointless.
This new paradigm is difficult because we are figuring it out along the way, in a decentralized/disorganized manner. It is messy and the result will be imperfect but hopefully good enough.
So yeah, you are right Bill, there is no quick win. And if there is something Bitcoiners have shown it is persistence with the conviction pay-off will come eventually however long it takes; one of the many reasons it is this group of people who have a shot at achieving all of this.
I think it’s likely nostr, ATproto, and matrix converge in the next 2 years
IMO the "race" is just for better relay management controls. What that looks like is client-dependent. But I don't think we've seen much "pro level" relay management systems. Amethyst is off to a good start, and some web clients offer.. "decent" at best..
Curious what Notedeck can do to bridge "basic relay management" with "pro level" without losing what already makes it special. I think you will continue to impress us.
Legacy tech is still trying to capture the world with a quick turnover and political power; we're trying to build a new one with a focus on need and technological truths.
Well said! Don’t get caught up in their game. Quality > speed
If the car randomly dies every x miles, then it doesn't matter that it has rain-sensing wipers. 😉
Quality, and professional output, matter more than many want to admit.
go slow, fix things.
The argument I've heard for why nostr wasn't implemented to use binary encoding and instead adopts json is the opposite of this.
Keep at it Will. The work you are doing on things behind the scenes like nostrdb are more important than social media.
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