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With the music I make I'm looking to embrace to more censorship-resistant technologies. I just released my latest EP with a pay-what-you-want model via Bandcamp and have not released to mainstream platforms. Although I'm planning to do a special release which includes messages telling listeners to look at v4v options instead of feeding the beast (if I can sneak it in, that is).
Looking forward to exploring NOSTR and v4v this year!
heads-up: we looked for a lightning address on your profile but could not find one... u can get a free one at https://rizful.com ... and then reply back to this comment so we can zap you.
Cheers!
Bandcamp is pretty good! I urge you to keep doing that. But also do the #demu thing!
1. Get yourself a lightning address first.
2. Get yourself set up with RSS to upload your music. One upload puts you on fountain.fm , and v4vmusic.com , podcastindex.org and opens the door for podcasters to find your music.
3. Promote it on nostr so the people know, and for music shows spin your tunes!
We like to use podhome.fm but theres many options out there in varying flavors of sovereignty. Ask us if you get stuck!
Thanks for your response!
I'm not in the crypto world at all. Do you have any recommendations for setting up lightning address?
Rizful replied to you, theyre legit and recommended. Id also recommend looking at coinos.io as an artist. These are free options.
You can use your lightning address with podhome.fm or any other hosting provider that also helps build your RSS feed. You can use it in your nostr profile too for zaps! The address will look like an email address yourname@rizful.com for example.
Fountain.fm makes it very easy for artists to upload AND they provide a wallet too. Fountain (like podhome) are paid options.
There's a bunch of other options out there for wallets and hosting providers. The basic plumbing needed are:
Lightning address - to recieve payments
RSS Feed - its a big text file. Create your own from a template( nostr:nprofile1qqszm7l9ew24usqckahx2s4rhpuzz3xatatnty2dhxfpl5jv8v73qmgprpmhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0g6m2jr prob has a copy) or let one of the service providers to do it for you
Media Host - this is often rolled in if you use a service that builds your feed for you. But you can use anything to host your audio file and album art. Just put the address in your feed.
If you really wanna dive headfirst into the deepend, consider building a lightning node. π
Also, YES, here is the DeMu template:
https://github.com/de-mu/demu-feed-template/blob/master/feed-with-comments.xml
Hey thank you for all your help. I think I need to experience it from the other side first. It's all completely new for me.
Yeah, find and listen to some artists at V4Vmusic.com and support who you love! Also almost forgot MusicSideProject.com is a super simple way to build and host a music feed. Give it a look sometime. nostr:nprofile1qqs00y32ptdnlfxa5hhv4f30dalwv9vl0a27pqpkdpkx3cyrstp50zqpzamhxue69uhkx6rpv3nzumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcprpmhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0qyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tchypkm2 is building an MSP2.0 that's Nostr-enabled too.
Like everything I build it will be RSS first but I got some cool ideas about how to use Nostr with it.
Also still trying to figure out what Nostr music is. π€·ββοΈ
Very sorry for the ignorant questions...
Do listeners generally use an app on their phone? I loaded AntennaPod from FDroid which seems ok. V4VMusic.com looks like a great browser-based service but not the best for on the go.
And what is MSP2.0?
Music Side Project 2.0, a form musicians will be able to fill out to create and broadcast an RSS feed of their music -- currently in the works!
I'm not sure how much people use mobile. I have a PWA of LNBeats and V4VMusic, and for listening to podcasts I generally use Curiocaster on my desktop or Podcast Guru when I'm on the go.
You can see all the Podcasting 2.0 apps at NewPodcastApps.com
Ahh thank you. Yes, I read through the MSP site. It really helped explain the steps for publishing the music.
I'll give the PWAs a try π
Pretty much nailed it.
At this point in time. The only solid investment of time and energy is #demu #v4v podcast2. I wouldn't delete anything from bandcamp, but it's absolutely not worth any further work. It's neither going to help you, nor your audience. You might want to have a track or two everywhere with links to your real deal, in the eventuality someone tries to look you up. Take it from someone who's spent over 20 years in the trenches of digital independence closely observing and probing pretty much every enshittifier of the web.
Iβm doing the sameβ¦. I use Castopod which is a self hosted option for releasing as RSS/Podcasting 2.0. Also on Bandcamp and Mirlo as pay what you like. Good luck!
Thanks for introducing me to Mirlo! It looks like it's what I *wished* Bandcamp was (philosophically, at least).
I'm not keen on a monthly subscription service right now so castopod looks like a good option for me.
Right now I'm trying to get my head around RSS/podcasting 2.0 as a user before I try adding my content. I've allowed myself to become complacent on those large platforms!
Sounds like you're on mych the same path as me... Mirlo was born out of the begions or enshittification at Bandcamp, they had a couple of different owners over the last couple of years and there's been layoffs. There's also Jam.Coop and Bandwagon.fm but I'm less familier with those but they all started around the same time and share similar ethos. I'm no expert with Castopod but happy to help if you have any basic questions. Once it's up and running I've found it really easy but there were a couple of daft things early on that I misunderstood, particularly the Fediverse handle part, basically you create a NEW Fediverse identity (I wasted lots of time wonderting why none of my existing Fedi handles didn't work). Oh and there's also an ajustment I had to make in the Config to allow files larger than 50mb, which was simple once I found the .php config but it wasn't obvious as I'm running on Yunohost here, basically meaning online guides diodn't match my set up. May sound utterly confusing to you... and it was to me but works a dream!
This started because I created a Brighteon channel for my music videos and tried to add it to Linktree. Apparently it's an unsafe url and it triggered a review of all my linktree links. Their trust and safety team emailed that my content breached their community standards. No details of course - and YouTube and IG are fine with the content. I had already decided to stop releasing on Spotify (after some recent events and changes there) and was moving in this direction but without any immediacy.
I'm not familiar with them... I've figured for a while the only place I feel comfortable keeping my work is to self host, obviously that has MAJOR impact on visibility etc. I'm lucky in that most my income is as a studio/live engineer rather than artist/perfomer but I have ultimate control over the files' visabilty (as much as any digital artefact can be) and official usage. I'm not relying on sending it into some blackbox of tech to see if it's gonna pay any bills.
Supporting those platforms, you're an employee but on less than gig economy conditions, everything about 'being viral' is about you publicing the platform for them.. I'd rather go my own way with things and there is a cost to that.
My overiding thought today is we just have to try and build a whole parallel internet, nothing is set up in our favour and everything feels like a battle in the digital world.
Most people stay complacent until its too late. Its human nature. Fight the good fight. Freedom requires proof of work. Become unruggable!
7 sats that everyone currently praising mirlo will back pedal in less than half a decade π the only obvious difference between that and bandcamp is marketing lingo... have you tried selfhosting their code?
No I haven't... I hadn't delved deep into it tbh.
I really regret promoting them back in their starting block. The exact same way i regret beta testing for Bandcamp!
Mirlo had open sourced, jam.coop had not. Seemed like the obvious contender. But a closer look quickly reveals their entire model is based on becoming an authority and centralized growth: you can't do shit with their code except scrutinizing it. I also suspect most of their proponent don't understand the coop is purely for the Mirlo staff. Last time i checked, the musicians creating the value weren't even in the cards. I'm really tired of organizations putting themselves between the crowd and artists. The latest trick is to call yourself "ethical" and create a coop instead of an LTD.
Mirlo isn't filling a need (lowering entry barriers to publication) they're gatekeeping the knowledge and experience it takes for sovereign publication. Also they seem to hate Bitcoin and will happily pile on you for even suggesting that it could be a useful tool to musicians, quoting shit from the fed playbook in smirk and typical passive-aggressive "good lucks" wishes :D
Thanks for the info! I hadnβt dug into it but kind of chimes with why I prefer the self hosted RSS route, any company has the potential to turn to shit and experience tells us most do, once theyβve captured folks. I want to have my own FairCamp version but Iβm putting that off until I deploy my new server.
An RSS feed is just a big text file full of metadata in the form of tags. It looks a lot like html. There are specific tags that indicate things like artist name, location of media files, etc. All you gotta do is plug in the appropriate data next to the appropriate tag.
I urge you to look at the template duhlaurien posted in a previous reply. Also this for more high level explainers and guides: https://value4value.info/
Thanks. I think I get the XML data layout. I can manually add a published RSS feed within AntennaPod. Is that what most listeners do? Or do they use the indexing services and generally stay within that garden?
If you use a publishing service like podhome or wavlake they will automatically push your tracks to the podcast index. Once there, all the other podcast2.0/rss compatible apps will pull your music. Instant automatic wide distribution.
You can also choose to manually push that same feed to any other service you like such as antennapod. It really depends on what your goal is in terms of how far and where you want to spread your content.
Oh, I didn't know they didn't realise they were walled off like that. Their content policy wasn't very encouraging either.
It did seem that wavlake had made a recent change around their custodial wallet. Seems it's only available when you are "region verified" to a region that isn't blocked. However you can choose to forward to a different wallet without verifying at all.
At least that's how I read it.
But yes, the wall alone is enough to make me move on. Baby steps.
Baby steps absolutely. We are still on that path too.
Interestingβ¦ so if I published to Wavlake, Iβd get more visibility than my own RSS feed on the podcast index?
Yeah. Uploads to wavlake go everywhere. Uploads anywhere else also go everywhere except wavlake.
Wavlake was early on the scene and made it easy for everyone. We likely wouldn't be here if it wasnt for wavlake. But that comes with tradeoffs.
Dip your toes any way you can but learn and grow!
I put a couple of bits up on Wavlake but I think thought the model, despite having a superior payments syst er m, it still puts the work in the hands of a single company that may, in future, start actively working against the musician⦠Spotify was pretty exciting in the early days, I need to learn how to get visibility.
Yup thats exactly it right there. Centralized services are good until theyre not and then its too late.
Visibility is tough but from what Ive learned in this #demu space is the podcasts are the key for discovery. At least as things stand today. Maybe that evolves over time...
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π΅ They are, however, divided over the question of his divinity.
π΄ Fortunately, this difference can be resolved if we refer the question to both the Bible and the Quran, because, both the Bible and the Quran teach that Jesus is not God.
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β Jesus was a servant of God β
{ The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.} (Acts 3:13). π
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