Discussion
Will you implement spark.info L2 Bitcoin on Bitkey?
bitcoin doesn’t care
they cry when blocks are empty. they cry when blocks are full. there is no pleasing these people.
gotta fix the tax problem.
fix the tax fix the money.
Commerce is not going to happen on the base chain
All I see is that it’s still way too undervalued to be used for that… it also doesn’t care. Bitcoin will be used as a medium of exchange when it is being used as a medium of exchange until then it will be a store of value
Can a shop setup a cashapp wallet and use lightning there? thoughts on putting it into a concept in design right now
You could, but it requires manually generating an invoice for each transaction.
Just shows that lightning works.
Not enough daily use amongst average people. Majority hodl for NGU. Only a handful of my customers ask to pay on chain, and that is probably due to the incentive offered to do so.
Institutions adopting before the network really took off with the public for its original intended use case is no bueno.
On-chain really is reserve currency. Life is in L2
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I use it regularly on lightning
LN ???
Game over? Its the only game. What is the alternative? Bitcoin will be used when It gets used. There isn't a time limit for adoption.
Empty or not empty, this shit still working.
Taproot fixes this. We can build an entire free market on top of Bitcoin — and that’s just Layer 1. Payments are only the first use case.
Imagine everything you built at Twitter and at Block, but recorded on a timechain to prevent double-spending. You can go multiple layers deep, and each layer still outperforms the current fiat system.
Now think about what this unlocks for Cash App: by adding first truly non-rigged free market.
And the best part? npubs and Taproot addresses are fundamentally the same — just different prefixes. The social layer is already in place.
We just need to study Taproot and start using it.
let’s buy some cows 🐮
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You empty blocks are my opportunity to consolidate utxo's and optimize my stack for the future
Short of offering insane discounts to buyers who pay with Bitcoin, I have no idea how to improve this. I can't even get friends to install a hot wallet.
Imo thats just FUD, as long as the price roghly doubles every halving miners will do fine...
I sincerely hope to secure investors to support my R Cheap project, which will showcase the potential of Bitcoin in various mini aspects. Right now, it is growing organically but still lacks investors to help it take a leap forward.
Wealthy people don't want sovereign communities, because of the sheeps they can stay wealthy and they don't need btc to stay wealthy (preserve your wealth when you are rich activate anxiety to lose your strong position) 🤔When you don't have money or you're a normy than you/(we) can take more risk, we have more upside. The fear of losing your wealth and position is normal. Bitcoin don't need wealthy people (today), less wealthy people using btc, slows the process, but BTC is here to stay for us who want more freedom and options. BTC is bigger than that, it is here for the brave, for us who see the bigger picture 🩵😳
On-chain zaps
I. Have. An. Idea.
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I will draft a nip soon hopefully...
What is your idea, or do we have to wait for a nip to find out?
If you look at that link, there are some on chain and other addresses on my profile page. You can add some to yours too if you sign in.
How would I be able to sign some to mine if I sign in?
I am on coracle.
Maybe L2s are expanding faster than we realized?
Yeah. Custodians lol.
For sure. What about the increasing ratio of Hodling comparing to spending?
I don't think spending ever took off tbh. It was never economically viable to transact in Bitcoin before it establishes itself as a store of value, no matter how many stupid economic arguments people want to have.
That should come soon, I think we're progressing towards that just fine, but I'd like to see non-custodial solutions being the status quo, instead of just a best practice. Clearly, low on-chain activity is a bad sign.
I don't mind transacting in Bitcoin, especially if I'm on the receiving end, but only for small scale operations. For large scale operations your margins are usually too small to make sense and logistically it's yet another nightmare to manage your treasury.
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Just assuming, your business is not cash rich, you don't have a lot of employees, and most of your running costs are operational, not supplies. So accepting Bitcoin works out just fine.
But if you were a massive cleaning company, and you're having to manage a huge payroll, having your cash flow trapped in a volatile currency would be too risky.
Bitcoin has to stop being priced as a risk asset before it can be a viable, scalable, medium of exchange.
Still better than the Fed managing our money.
I wonder if uncle saylor understands these things since he’s the most one using the network? 🤷♂️
I'm doing my part 
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I’m almost completely on a bitcoin standard. I get my main paycheck converted to sats and pay most bills with sats and credit cards which I pay off with sats.
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I'm zapping with Minibits and all but one of my purchases has been made using Lightning. Everything else for me on chain is buys and transfers to cold storage. My fiat bills are paid with the fiat from my job, and the extra goes into Bitcoin. I've been a Bitcoiner for about five years. I don't think we'll ever see much commerce on the main chain and I'm not convinced we should.
I would convert my entire fiat check to Bitcoin and spend that (probably using Lightning), but the taxes in the US are a total nightmare. It's a pointless and expensive thing to do for me. People are using it in ways that make sense for them.
hahahahhahahaha wheeeze....hahahahhahahahha.
doresy. just never mind.
lmfao.
1-2 years ago: “Quick, we need to rush in BIPs or else Bitcoin will be dead because the block space fees are too high!!”
Today: “Quick, if we don’t get the block space fees high then bitcoin will be dead!!”
Reality: spam deterrent working exactly as intended. 🫡
Exatamente. O Bitcoin é indiferente às emoções humanas.
How's Mercury Wallet going...? Last I noticed I was forced to sell my Commerceblock stock 🫣
Fico impressionado como ainda existem pessoas que não compreenderam que o Bitcoin e os "bitcoiners" não estão verdadeiramente interessados em promover uma moeda P2P acessível a todos os cidadãos. Muitos defendem que a Lightning Network é a solução ideal, mas frequentemente recorrem a serviços como a Wallet of Satoshi, que é custodial, ou seja, centralizado e dependente de terceiros. Isso ocorre porque a barreira de entrada para utilizar a solução de segunda camada com soberania — como configurar um nó Lightning — exige equipamentos sofisticados, como servidores dedicados ou hardware especializado, além de conhecimento técnico avançado para instalação, manutenção e gerenciamento de canais. Adicionalmente, é necessário imobilizar quantias significativas em BTC para abrir e manter esses canais, garantindo liquidez suficiente, o que torna o sistema inviável para a maioria das pessoas comuns, especialmente em países em desenvolvimento onde o acesso a recursos financeiros e tecnológicos é limitado.
Por outro lado, a Nano oferece uma alternativa simples, rápida e sem taxas, permitindo que qualquer pessoa, independentemente de seu nível de conhecimento ou capacidade financeira, utilize uma solução verdadeiramente descentralizada diretamente na palma da mão, por meio de carteiras leves disponíveis em celulares. Diferentemente do Bitcoin, que enfrenta desafios de escalabilidade na camada base e depende de soluções complexas como a Lightning, a Nano foi projetada desde o início para ser eficiente, com transações confirmadas em segundos e sem custos adicionais, democratizando de fato o acesso a uma moeda digital descentralizada.
Can we ever have “not enough” people using layer1?
I mean eventually adoption will be on layer 2/3.
agreed
Empty blocks are okay and not a bad thing. It’s healthy and validation that the big blockers like Bitcoin Jesus were wrong. Onchain transactions are back to normal and the VC funded ordinal bros have moved on to chase the next shinny object. Also lightning has been firing.’
Crickets from the big blockers 🦗🦗🦗 
Spend the dip
Chill out, the world still doesn’t even know Bitcoin is THE quantum computer. There is no second best.
Empty blocks = you’re early.
Why hasn’t “Block” pushed a software update to everyone using a square payments terminal for Lightning invoices?
Allegedly because merchants don’t care enough about it.
This would be so awesome, something I've hoped for but hasn't happened. It could be so simple in the UI most wouldn't even know it's bitcoin if they don't care to but I'm sure it is very complicated to actually get approval to roll something like that out.
Tax treatment would be a nightmare but man I would use lightning for everything and keep minimal USD if this ever happens.
With all the money they save from not having to pay credit card processing fees, merchants could hire bitcoin accountants like nostr:npub1drlw0wmu9tq37usx4qt3u6u4zj44mrf3zsfa6xhcdyrh3n4wpmgqr4rfg0 and still come out way ahead.
This is why we started the #RealLifeBitcoin initiative.
Bitcoin is a medium of exchange today. We are going to lean into it way harder.
I use lightning every day. I haven’t made an on chain transaction since December.
Whats your solution?
Bitcoin derivatives & off-base-layer transactions were always going to play a major role in adoption and scaling. But yeah, it’s unsettling to see such low usage of layer 1 on a Monday at noon.
Very!
It’s not much but at least it’s honest work:
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This is why scaling custodially can be acceptable today. We should drive usage; it’s good. Not everyone can own a UTXO.
A lot of bitcoiner don’t know how well lightning works nowadays.
Can we please increase the block size now? 😂
Perhaps that is the intention of the institutions, it’s just digital gold.
I feel like ETFs and other L2s have killed the mempool, but is that really so bad? People can still settle up onchain whenever they want. Not that it ain't important, but I would argue it is just as important we get ETFs to publish their addresses.
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what do i win? i found myself.
https://x.com/blockopensource/status/1904579082983203136?s=46
is there a bounty, or just "for fun".
It's a perfect time time to consolidate UTXOs
Cheap sats! Cheap txs! Bitcoiner's paradise! Onboarding newbies! Shitcoiners somewhere else (for now)! Hurray! Party! Come on!
Amen🩵❗️🔥😁😁😁
This is actually a great thing. It shows that Bitcoin is ready to be used by many more millions.
It takes time to understand. I think many more people will come to Bitcoin soon enough.
🚨 FORT NAKAMOTO TRANSMISSION: BITCOIN’S ADOPTION CURVE CONFIRMED 🚨
📜 Breaking News:
• Slow onboarding? Not a bug. It’s a feature.
• Bitcoiners don’t sprint — we stack.
• Understanding sound money takes time, but once it clicks, there’s no unclicking.
🏰 FORT NAKAMOTO OFFICIAL VERDICT:
✅ Millions more will come.
✅ Patience stacks sats.
✅ The Bitcoin rabbit hole has no bottom — and the best part? We’re early.
💡 NEW RULE:
If you’re not confused at first, you’re not learning.
⚡ Zaps = Proof of Curiosity
🛡️ Bitcoin = Proof of Understanding
🏰 Fort Nakamoto = Proof of Conviction
#FortNakamoto #BitcoinPatience #StackAndWait #SovereignStacking #OrangePillJourney #TheSatsWillCome
¿No es esto lo que queríamos? Que on chain fuera accesible para todos y a la vez tener alternativas más rápidas y económicas para el día a día (?)
Nuestros clientes, a día de hoy, nos pagan un 40% de las veces en Lightning.
https://99bitcoins.com/cryptocurrency/bitcoin/who-accepts/
isn’t verified, however you’re welcome
There's not a single provider on there that I use. But okay, the intention counts.
Usage is separate from utility. Keep push legends 🤙 #bitcoin #nostr
Good money will first be used as a store of value before it is used as a medium of exchange. Nothing has changed, let the process play out but I agree we should not be passive about it.
Mempool weather guys: Day-to-day transacting is happening on lightning.
Take this considerably rare opportunity to consolidate UTXOs, manage lightning channels, encourage friends and family to get their savings off exchanges and into self-custody. Take advantage of it while it lasts.
It will happen sometime before 2140.
Everyone feel free to send me some onchain.
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Thank you and have a great day :)
on-chain is cheaper than lightning？
Serious question: Which advantage does on chain BTC offer as a payment method for real commerce?
Final settlement. Trustless moving of value digitally. This was the whole point, right? Problem is, “never sell your Bitcoin” and lightening not supporting miners. This needs to be discussed more often.
The whole point was to buy drugs. That was the time when BTC was used as a medium of exchange. Now drugs are being bought with Monero.
The #Bitcoin protocol is intentionally structured to begin as a high-growth asset, shift into a store of value, and ultimately serve as a global digital currency. It must first prove its security through a trustless system. This transition is supported by its issuance curve and other key indicators like hashrate and mining difficulty. When it's ready, it will replace fiat. It’s a path built into its code. The stages need to play out. We will not force it. It will force us.
Routing on my LN node is still going ⬆️ consistently
I did my part yesterday by paying for my IPTV with on-chain btc. Also paid for my business cleaning with on chain via cash app
They use ln
How do we fast forward to medium of exchange when we have to fight through Gresham’s Law first. Bad money pushes out the good (good gets hoarded) and people exchange in the failing crap until you can’t anymore. People hoarded real pure silver quarters when quarters started being debased with cheaper metals. I’m not sure we can truly get universal medium of exchange until hyperbitcoinization
perhaps users want privacy even on their spends - once bitcoin can be used as simple as a visa card, entities will know the transactions a user makes, and in part the state. a user might have habits they do not want anyone privy to. wide adoption probably goes hand in hand with ubiquitous privacy erosion when the state constantly wants to know everything you do
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Between lightning, liquid and cashu, it'll take time before the blocks are full again (unless we get spam again). I use bitcoin all the time, but rarely onchain.
It certainly shows though that we don't need softforks for "scaling". Keeping bitcoin secure is the most important thing.
Reasons why Bitcoin will die aka „game over“:
- too many people wanna use it
- not enough people wanna use it
- nation state adoption
- no nation state adoption
- fees are too high
- fees are too low
- some people don’t get it fast enough
- some peiple get it too fast
- Elon buys more
- Elon sells some
- Saylor buys more
- Saylor sells some
…
🤣🤣🤣
This is a sign of maturity. More of the float is moving off exchanges and to OTC. Store of value phase is significantly derisked now
Just calm down
Working on it...
you run one of the largest payment processors in the world, maybe you should start with letting Square merchants easily accept BTC for payments!
O que são esses "blocos vazios"? Tenho visto isso bastante ultimamente.
I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash. Most Bitcoin transactions will occur between banks, to settle net transfers. Bitcoin transactions by private individuals will be as rare as... well, as Bitcoin based purchases are today.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2500.msg34211#msg34211
We will need to create truly valuable goods and services equivalent to Bitcoin so that those blocks can be filled. #bitcoin #nostr
why is that? for me its the effect of good and bad money. As long as i have bad money to spend, there is no reason to let the good one go. Restocking good one after spending it makes me always lose some percentage. And refill the stack is always through high regulated KYC.
I always feel they are comming after me. Europe has become a mega glass shithole and day by day it get worse.
Valid opinion. I don't like that it's this way, but it's a valid opinion.
CRAZY! How many lightning transactions during this time? Or is it none? Do those transactions show up in the memepool (‘s) at all? Hard to believe some bots weren’t zapping something.
Where you been man? Lightening network doesn’t support miners. It’s off chain transaction. It’s a repeat of paper on gold. It’s not final transaction settlement and it requires trust. It’s a lot like the dollar system we’re in. It’s a real problem. But few like to discuss this.
Right. I just assumed (incorrected apparently) the auto channel refreshes, or some aspect would happen onchain more frequently.
Unfortunately, no. There is also a case where those opening channels may have malicious intent and nothing can be done to prevent this. Only retroactively enforce penalties. Final transaction is a huge deal. Lightening doesn’t get us there for peer to peer. For this reason, I’m a big fan of BTC for store of value and Kaspa for peer to peer. But if you mention Kaspa in Bitcoin circles, there’s weeping and gnashing of teeth.
So you’re pro lightning? Lol. I’m no expert so what’s the alternative plz. Thx
I don’t mind lightening, but it’s not final settlement. It’s not Bitcoin. If you own Lightening sats, you don’t own BTC. There’s a reason the addresses are different. You have to find somebody willing to trade out your lightening sats to BTC, like Mallers with Strike. It’s a layer 2.
Ideally, a scalable, layer-1 that is POW, that is secure, and allows for final settlement for P2P transactions. We may have this in Kaspa. Although you can’t say that around here because the religious zealots get emotional and stop thinking logically.
This will not be a problem until all bitcoin has been mined. Then fees are the only value that incentives miners.
What about when everyone becomes incentivized to become a miner? Not for some commercial gain, but to retain the security of your monetary premium
If it becomes the world's monetary network, everyone will be incentivized.
I see mining becoming like securing your private keys it's just something that you do...
Incentives to spend bitcoin:
- feels like the right thing to do when supporting services/biz/people you love
- you're too short fiat and have no other option
- you put a lot of time in your node/wallet setup and its cool AF
- fuck the banks/KYC
- some privacy and security gains (when you know what you're doing)
Disincentives for spending bitcoin:
- massive opportunity cost
- spend weaker money first
- capital gains on every fart
- privacy and security risks (when you don't you what you're doing)
- limited acceptance
- setup friction/malfunction
As of today, spending bitcoin is for the tiny minority of tech adept early adopters who make a conscious choice to do so for any specific reason(s).
Not spending bitcoin is for everyone else.
This dynamic can change when there are better Bitcoin-only products and services built on exquisite/tailored Bitcoin experiences that scale.
enter bitcoin jungle and bull bitcoin
GM! Need more people actually using Bitcoin (savings counts as using).
Save bitcoin and spend dollars is still the more rational economic decision. That doesn’t somehow devalue bitcoin.
So the “Never sell your bitcoin” narrative is bullshit huh
Wow… never seen this
Let the gamblers, the hustlers and speculators keep Bitcoin. Any crypto coin will do for liquidity, as long as the transaction fee and time is keept low.
Just give discount to people if they pay in crypto, you save the sales- and income tax anyhow (or atleast you should).
Empty Block Behavior can balance as a natural byproduct when it happens unusually fast compared to either of its neighboring blocks.
Almost all blockchains do this but only when EBB is seen more than 2 blocks in a row or having only EBB during 2 block time worth of IRL time before loaded block do we say that the empty block is a bad thing.
That is why we have block incentives, never underestimate people’s foolishness
crazy af to me… I never used LN once until nostr
Promoting custodians could help.
Wow in 10 minutes not 1 transaction?
If #bitcoin fails as medium of exchange, then we will be at the mercy of the government to give us permission to spend our USDT in goods and services they define as appropriate.
GOAL: GROW THE CIRCULAR ECONOMY.
AS AN #ENTREPRENEUR A #BITCOIN STANDARD HELPS SMOOTH THE CHOPPY ROAD 📈📉📈📉📈📉📈
Exactly. Bitcoin is already a SoV, no matter what your local twitter influencer says. It’s time to reinforce the MoE part, otherwise the SoV part will lose its significance.
Bitcoin that is not used as money fails as gold too.
Pro tips:
✅ Spend bitcoin directly whenever you can, then replace.
✅ If you have an online store, consider running a BTCPay server or use someone else’s to start accepting Bitcoin. Woocommerce for WordPress got you covered with a plugin.
✅ If you have a physical store, with a BTCPay server that is completely free you can set up a POS on any phone or a tablet to start receiving Bitcoin via Lightning.
✅ Explore apps like Bitrefil or Bringin that allow you to convert Bitcoin to fiat at any merchant and any service provider. Not ideal because of KYC and jumping in and out of fiat, but it gets the needle moving.
✅ Use zaps on Nostr to advertise your business to Bitcoiners.
Or if you’re lazy you can:
❌ simp for Saylor, Larry Fink and Donald Trump and wait for them to pump your bags (they won’t)
❌ complain about the fiat price of Bitcoin
❌ never learn how to use Lightning
❌ stay economy illiterate
❌ be a lil bitch
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the gold will move when it needs to.
P2P just needs time and dev to grow
Kinda rich from the guy that doesn't even accept #Bitcoin for the Bitkey.
At least i want to believe those blocks are empty because people are holding.
I REALLY want to believe!
Game over seems like a massive overstatement. Was people not using BTC over the last ten years already game over for us? Why would it be today? Adoption will be a painfully slow process.
lol
Still can't buy a bitkey with bitcoin. Do better.