absolutely. algos don't have to be evil. they just should be open, transparent, and offer user choice.

I don’t see an issue with algo’s you can control/define. Or even some apps defining the algo for their app especially if there’s a choice of apps if you disagree with said algo.

No, thanks I don't want it.

I don't e

want algorithms. I follow hashtags and people.

The nice thing about Nostr is if you like algos you can choose that.

100% agree

Gm

Hope more choices will be there

We need reddit style algorithm

Decentralized and democratic, not shadowy and arbitrary

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What are the trade-offs of algos vs DVMs?

algo / no algo switch if they decide to implement

The power of the algos. 🤔

pls algo gods, feed me

I’d like algos on #nostr if users can turn them off/on and set the parameters. It could be helpful to catch up with important notes after not having logged on for a few days.

Maybe a lot of the people coming here actually do want chronological feeds. I know that's what I actually prefer. A smaller follow list in chronological order. Both could be catered to of course. Or a chronological feed of a smaller list of people. But you're right. However even when clients do implement them, they likely won't be the default. And for it to catch on, a big client needs to default to this algo. The chronological sub feed for YouTube exists and is better for seeing the actual content you're subbed to. It works better for most people than YouTube's home page. But the default home page is how 90% of people use YouTube.

Optionality good.

100%, algorithms are CRUCIAL, they aren't the enemy.

The idea of not having algos in Nostr because "they are bad" is like trying to build a "better web" back in the 90s without search engines because you know Yahoo was censoring stuff.

Its about having CONTROL over the algorithm, not belligerently thinking people can drink the 10,000 firehoses worth of global social media without any sort of filter or weighting mechanism.

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Algorithms - good

Centralized locked-in algorithms - bad

It's not complicated

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I have to post all of my *best* content at a reasonable time or else it goes to the wind. Well, it goes to the wind most of the time, but if I’m looking for some validation and dopamine don’t post your best stuff at 11pm.

If I don’t get any engagement in the first 15 mins the content might as well not been posted.

I shouldn’t have to do this.

Good morning ✌️🧡

On Nostr, algorithms sort the notes you want to the top of your feed.

On platforms, it's the notes they want which will control your behavior.

A lot of Algorithm Derangement Syndrome here 💯

Primal has algo, how's that faring?

No.

💯

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The problem isn’t the lack of algorithms—it’s who controls them.

People aren’t rejecting algorithms themselves, they’re rejecting opaque, manipulative, and engagement-driven ranking systems that traditional social media forces on users. The goal isn’t no algorithms, but user-controlled algorithms—where individuals decide what they want surfaced, filtered, or prioritized in their feed.

We don’t need to blindly copy legacy social media; we need open, modular, and customizable ranking systems that put users in charge. The tech exist it just needs to be built the right way.

Yes! I want an open source algo store to choose from and maybe even customize a bit myself 🙌

ATM It' just a bunch of crappy DVMs that don't work half the time and hustle for money

GM

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ATproto have already unlocked this power up.

This -> https://youtu.be/QEJpZjg8GuA

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The lack of algorithm is the reason I like Nostr! And of course the Bitcoin community around it.

Reading this 10 hours later, just like I've read Vitor post on a similar topic several hours later. I have to disagree with you on this one utxo. I'm very happy with chronological feeds. Clients can use your algo relay or DVMs for algorithmic feeds. And sure, they can support it, but I'd rather they don’t impose algos on users or make it the default experience.

What I really wish is that people would hit the boost/reshare and comment buttons much more often, as well as follow tags and new npubs with fewer followers.

As for clients, I’d love to see more support for NIP-51-like features so I can create lists of my favourite users and hashtags and keep up with them in chronological order from where I left off (kinda like Nostur). This is exactly what I’m doing with Fediverse stuff + Fedilab, and it works wonders. I often read posts that are six months old and have had some of my own posts reshared months after I originally posted them.

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That’s what I like about it

Time will tell

Primal is proposing a "Trending 24h" algo which is how I found this notes by the way, and I can't understand why nostr:npub142gywvjkq0dv6nupggyn2euhx4nduwc7yz5f24ah9rpmunr2s39se3xrj0and nostr:npub18m76awca3y37hkvuneavuw6pjj4525fw90necxmadrvjg0sdy6qsngq955 don't do the same or something equivalent

This is the least you can do to make nostr relevant as a better / alternative X

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We are working on better feeds and an improved onboarding process that doesn’t make new users auto-follow a bunch of accounts by surprise. Those two features are related.

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“Tell your client devs..”

I disagree,

Billions of users also want to be nurtured and pitied. The main reason why we have this left social facist clown world. Were some people know what's best for everybody else.

👀

What have we come to when people want instant gratification, won't even go searching themselves for quality follows. The idea is to curate your environment, without telling you what it should be.

We need interest-based algorithms 🗣️

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Yeah, I agree Yooty but the fact that it’s chronological, and you can filter it to merely your friends and friends of your friends is actually kind of a good thing because while you’re engaging with the protocol you’re in the moment if for some reason you don’t access the protocol and something in your feed goes further down the list then you just missed out on the conversationI think the lack of algorithms keeps the conversation fresh where instead of cultivating content based on algorithms it’s more like an interactive real time chat room so you’re either part of the conversation and you’re in the know or you’re not

Thanks to you, I'm using jumble.social and really liking it!

There is a major popularity shift happening.

From:

Algos are evil

To

Algos are useful

As someone from a career in growth hacking, i believe the main feed should be algo driven for the normal users. It should be optimised for time on screen.

And there should be optionality to choose algorithms for advanced/seasoned users.

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GM bro 🤟🏴‍☠️😉 While it’s true that Nostr’s current approach relies heavily on chronological feeds, it’s also crucial to recognize that its decentralized nature comes with a trade-off. Privacy and control often mean giving up some of the conveniences we’ve become accustomed to in centralized platforms.

But your point about algorithms is valid great content discovery is one of the strengths of traditional platforms, and we can definitely improve here. The beauty of Nostr is its open ecosystem, and that means developers can innovate and build what works. If the demand for better discovery mechanisms is loud enough, it’s only a matter of time before algorithms make their way in.

The key is balancing the ideals of decentralization with user experience, and there’s room for both. Let’s build it!