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Mr. Krabs
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You still don't understand. I want the age of informed consent bullshit to disappear entirely, with a more ethical standard put in its place. Some 15 year olds can legitimately consent, in my mind. Yet to set the bar to 15 or lower and make no other changes would be a severe error. That would be disgusting. Age of consent is a terrible idea whether high or low, and must be replaced with a better standard.

I do not claim to know for sure what that standard would be and how it would be determined in precise detail of all the specifics, but it must be something logical that is normalized and enforced by social pressures, by law, and by the market for protection. A natural order could do such a thing where the most basic standard is consent and self ownership.

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I am glad you can so easily tell the difference between a 15 year old and a 16 year old and with such certainty that you can find the idea of being attracted to a 15 year old "categorically disgusting."

In my experience, it is damn difficult to guesstimate age after 13 or so. Some 18 year olds through early to mid 20s look way younger, while some 14-15 year olds look much older.

You are likely more disgusted by the idea of being attracted to a 15 year old than by actual 15 year olds. Put a more well-endowed 15 year old and a less well endowed 18 year old next to each other clad in their bikinis for a swim, without telling you which is which, and you'll find your dick betrays your sensibilities.

The ability or inability to express informed consent is more of an indictment of our culture prolonging childhood into adolescence and adolescence into mid to late 20s, in my opinion. There is no reason, other than avoiding giving an individual the information because they are "too young" that a young teen can't give informed consent, assuming some form of coercion didn't take place.

Most cultures in history have considered adulthood to begin sometime between 12 and 15 years of age. It has only been in the last couple centuries that sensibilities around this have changed. Interestingly, it has coincided with having public school available for all young people up through... wait for it... age 18. The standardization of K-12 education played a major role in society's perception that young people are still "children" until age 18, in my opinion.

I didn't say being attracted, dipshit. I wasn't extremely clear, but I was saying setting the arbitrary age of consent below that, that's what I would find disgusting. I was agreeing with you about how stupid the arbitrary age of consent is, and you projected bullshit into my mind instead of trying to get my point. Go fuck yourself if you're so damn paranoid about how you'll be perceived that you can't listen when someone is even AGREEING with you. Pathetic.

In my opinion anything under 16 is almost categorically disgusting, but the age is indeed arbitrary. Some objective way of determining the ability to give informed consent would be far better. Children develop this ability with different things over time. Even people 40 years old can't give informed consent about things they are not informed on and able to make rational choices on. An objective standard would be nice to have, but it is difficult to determine, especially in a culture that doesn't respect individuals and individual differences, which is most cultures extant. That is why the cutoff is an arbitrary age, instead of an objective measure more closely related to the ability to give informed consent.

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