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Chuck Langstrumpf
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Pura Vida!
Replying to Avatar calle

*wallet

sorry, still having some issues with understanding it.

isn't the wallet also the cashu.me website? or is it a separate application i need to install separate from visiting cashu.me?

thank you. when is the token changing, does the receiver need a special wallet to create the new token?

Serious question, i would really appreciate your answer on what i get wrong here.

what i dont understand so far:

i go to the mints website, get a token. the mint can log my ip and which token string i get

then i pay with the token, the receiver goes to the mint, enters it into a textarea to redeem it for lightning. The mint can also log the receivers ip and the token string.

so it knows who transacted with whom. What do i get wrong here?

and i just negotiated a contract by sms for 666 billion euro with our partners at google, meta and microsoft to protect you with a safe and effective pre bunking vaccine.

sadly my phone died after i threw it in the shredder.

Replying to Avatar cryptowolf

looks good, thank you. so you use the Graphene camera app or the original from Google in a container like shelter?

Replying to Avatar moneyball

I sense from your responses that your hope is LN will offer near-zero fees while also being non-custodial with an economically viable unilateral exit. I understand it was sold this way by some folks but it isn't reality. LN's fees are a function of on-chain fees, which are going to be volatile and will continue to increase over time.

There are efforts to try and share UTXOs with more people which would allow for amortizing these costs over more people. This is awesome R&D, and I hope to see more of it. But so far, I've yet to see a design that doesn't result in some other tradeoff, such as a vastly more expensive unilateral exit or some other trust assumption.

I'm also not sure if you're understanding the point I'm trying to make. I'm saying LN has already succeeded at product market fit, but for something other than what you're imagining. I'm not saying it offers no/low fee non-custodial payments, but I am instead saying it is THE open payment protocol, connecting not only non-custodial LN wallets and custodial LN wallets but also wallets that use entirely different designs such as Fedimint, Cashu, Ark, and statechains. All of these different solutions already support LN as the open payment protocol. There's evidence that indicates LN solves that problem. Hence, product-market fit.

As for bitcoin as p2p currency, you're free to move on, but I'm going to continue working toward that as a north star. Each and every year we'll inch closer toward that, but we also shouldn't shy away from practical, useful products and designs that work today and are moving toward that north star.

You are right, i was stupid enough to believe it could work in a self custodial way with low fees. The way it evolved so far is a shame in my opinion, most people use custodial wallets due to the terrible UX with self hosted LN.

In the end, we just recreate a banking / paypal system where people get KYCed, have to follow AML rules, have zero privacy and not even low fees. Ridiculous. Slowly the smaller lightning service providers will be bought up from the larger ones. Just like banks.

Custodial services will inflate the supply over time eventually, because it is easy to do and nobody can check if they do it or not.

I got into Bitcoin because it promised P2P self custodial digital cash, which would be revolutionary. To me it seems this chance is gone on BTC until something drastically changes, which i do not see at the moment.

But i can not complain, we dreamed of dumping on wall street and now the ones interested in freedom can finally do it and move on.

I would not have thought i would ever say that but BCH is the real Bitcoin.

We are going to win so hard!

You get a custodial wallet!

You get a custodial wallet!

Everybody gets a custodial wallet!

Just like Paypal, but a different brand name and orange!

Replying to Avatar Hanshan

never

Come on, i heard rumours Larry Fink and Jamie Dimon are die hard Monero fans!

As we do not have anywhere near 8B people using it, we should not worry about that. BTC will likely never geht nowhere near that. We also do not have to worry about 10 Gigabyte blocks. This is just parroting the narrative of Blockstream and others.

The fact that you have to pay more for a lightning transaction than for a credit card or SEPA transaction should be outrageous for bitcoin users who were early in the game - but as the majority consists of uncritical number go up Saylor fanboys now with their custodial wallets, i think it is time to accept that BTC as a p2p currency is a failed project.

It provides neither freedom, nor privacy, nor low fees - as an early adopter i move on to other projects which have a better outlook in bringing freedom to the world.

But anyone can do as he pleases, i am sure in 20 years lightning might deliver on its promises of 2017.

Replying to Avatar Schmidt

ASIC β€” Mining or Resistance

Monero's approach to mining differs significantly from Bitcoin's.

Here's why ASIC-resistant Monero mining is better or more decentralized than Bitcoin's ASIC mining.

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Pros of ASIC-resistant Monero Mining

Equal Access

Monero's RandomX algorithm is designed to be ASIC-resistant, favoring general-purpose CPUs, making mining more accessible to everyday users.

Decentralization

With CPUs, the network avoids centralization by large ASIC farms, ensuring a more distributed mining landscape.

Security

Diverse miner participation reduces the risk of 51% attacks since power isn't concentrated in a few hands.

Innovation

Encourages the development of more efficient algorithms for general-purpose hardware, promoting broader tech advancements.

Cons of ASIC-resistant Monero Mining

Lower Efficiency

CPUs are less efficient compared to ASICs in terms of hash power per watt, potentially leading to higher energy consumption for the same hash rate.

Market Volatility

The lack of specialized hardware can make mining profitability more sensitive to market fluctuations.

Bitcoin's ASIC Mining Pros

High Efficiency

ASICs are optimized for SHA-256, making Bitcoin mining highly efficient in terms of power consumption and hash rate.

Stability

A more predictable mining landscape due to specialized, stable hardware and established mining farms.

Bitcoin's ASIC Mining Cons

Centralization

Mining is dominated by a few large players with substantial resources to afford ASICs, leading to potential centralization.

Entry Barriers

High costs of ASICs prevent average users from participating, reducing overall network decentralization.

In sum: Monero's approach with RandomX promotes a more decentralized and inclusive mining ecosystem compared to Bitcoin's ASIC-dominated environment, despite some trade-offs in efficiency.

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Ressources:

Mining Centralization Poses Risks To Bitcoin, Yet Optimism Remains

https://crypto.ro/en/news/mining-centralization-poses-risks-to-bitcoin-yet-optimism-remains/

Monero(XMR) RandomX PoW Algorithm Explained

https://ruisiang.medium.com/monero-xmr-randomx-pow-algorithm-explained-d3cf95619717

There is the argument though, that a state actor could use (or rent) existing CPU infrastructure to atttack Monero with a 51% attack and can reuse the computing power for something else afterwards while Asics are worthless after a 51% attack against Bitcoin.

Whats your opinion about that?

Interesting, i have used Phoenix, Muun and Breez as well as a couple of custodial wallets.

My experience with the self hosted ones is that it is a pain in the ass still to manage your channels and also the transaction fees were nowhere near a few sats. More aroud 0.3 / 0.5% of the transaction value. Often 30 to 50 cents, a couple times even a few dollars.

Only between custodial wallets i saw really low fees. Also not all the time.

In many cases the fees were higher than in the banking / card networks, mainly when you transact with other self hosted wallets or non mainstream LN nodes.

To me we are also not early anymore, it is 7 years since the split in 2017 and we still do not have a solution which allows easy self custodial usage for non techies. All i see is people using custodial wallets, which is just another type of bank to me.

LSPs are also kind of a trusted third party, at least you depend on them for a smoother experience. They will have to KYC you and adhere to AML laws over time and some already are.

Which upcoming developments in lightning are promising to you?

Do you use LN with self hosted wallets, interacting with other self hosted wallets?

If so, whats your experience with channel management and LN fees?

what i dont understand so far:

i go to the mints website, get a token. the mint can log my ip and which token string i get

then i pay with the token, the receiver goes to the mint, enters it into a textarea to redeem it for lightning. The mint can also log the receivers ip and the token string.

so it knows who transacted with whom. What do i get wrong here?