Subnostr

Instead of answering my question, you sent me links to biased articles. This one specifically makes false claims with no sources to back it. I’m not reading any other articles you send because you’ve wasted my time with this one.

J3 1y ago

Believe what you want to. It’s your right my friend

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MAHDOOD

I disagree that it is accurate. All religious texts are subject to interpretation, that's why they all have gatekeepers (e.g. priests, sheikhs, rabbis, monks). Most religions have enacted violence on people that interpret the texts differently. Look at the conflicts between sunni and shia muslims or the conflict between catholics and protestants in the dark ages. The protestant movement was literally a result of differing interpretations of the same text. Well if a text is subject to interpretation, then it isn't objective. That nullifies the existence of scientific accuracy. Religious texts cannot be scientifically accurate. It doesn't even make sense. Science is a process where you develop a hypothesis and repeatedly conduct experiments in order to test the hypothesis. You can't test these stories. You can't conduct a double blind placebo controlled experiment on the book of John. The people that shill religion and say that it is proven by science are either ignorant or dishonest. What they claim to be science is merely a coincidental correlation. For example, this ancient text says that if the people fornicate then they will be damned and their society will crumble. If the society crumbles, then they claim the text is scientific. That is not how science works and that is not science. Most societies eventually change or collapse regardless of their religious beliefs. There are also cultures and tribes that do fornicate and have no issues. So what is the response that is given when the damnation never comes? They always say god is all knowing and we can't comprehend his wisdom and that they will receive their punishment in the afterlife. Do you see how this is not scientific at all? The rules are not bounded in reality. When they claim something will happen and it does they say rejoice in gods glory. But when it doesn't happen, they rejoice in gods wisdom.

J3 1y ago

https://answersingenesis.org/is-the-bible-true/5-scientific-accuracy/

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MAHDOOD

I disagree that it is accurate. All religious texts are subject to interpretation, that's why they all have gatekeepers (e.g. priests, sheikhs, rabbis, monks). Most religions have enacted violence on people that interpret the texts differently. Look at the conflicts between sunni and shia muslims or the conflict between catholics and protestants in the dark ages. The protestant movement was literally a result of differing interpretations of the same text. Well if a text is subject to interpretation, then it isn't objective. That nullifies the existence of scientific accuracy. Religious texts cannot be scientifically accurate. It doesn't even make sense. Science is a process where you develop a hypothesis and repeatedly conduct experiments in order to test the hypothesis. You can't test these stories. You can't conduct a double blind placebo controlled experiment on the book of John. The people that shill religion and say that it is proven by science are either ignorant or dishonest. What they claim to be science is merely a coincidental correlation. For example, this ancient text says that if the people fornicate then they will be damned and their society will crumble. If the society crumbles, then they claim the text is scientific. That is not how science works and that is not science. Most societies eventually change or collapse regardless of their religious beliefs. There are also cultures and tribes that do fornicate and have no issues. So what is the response that is given when the damnation never comes? They always say god is all knowing and we can't comprehend his wisdom and that they will receive their punishment in the afterlife. Do you see how this is not scientific at all? The rules are not bounded in reality. When they claim something will happen and it does they say rejoice in gods glory. But when it doesn't happen, they rejoice in gods wisdom.

J3 1y ago

https://www.biblestudy.org/bible-study-by-topic/science-and-the-bible.html

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MAHDOOD

I disagree that it is accurate. All religious texts are subject to interpretation, that's why they all have gatekeepers (e.g. priests, sheikhs, rabbis, monks). Most religions have enacted violence on people that interpret the texts differently. Look at the conflicts between sunni and shia muslims or the conflict between catholics and protestants in the dark ages. The protestant movement was literally a result of differing interpretations of the same text. Well if a text is subject to interpretation, then it isn't objective. That nullifies the existence of scientific accuracy. Religious texts cannot be scientifically accurate. It doesn't even make sense. Science is a process where you develop a hypothesis and repeatedly conduct experiments in order to test the hypothesis. You can't test these stories. You can't conduct a double blind placebo controlled experiment on the book of John. The people that shill religion and say that it is proven by science are either ignorant or dishonest. What they claim to be science is merely a coincidental correlation. For example, this ancient text says that if the people fornicate then they will be damned and their society will crumble. If the society crumbles, then they claim the text is scientific. That is not how science works and that is not science. Most societies eventually change or collapse regardless of their religious beliefs. There are also cultures and tribes that do fornicate and have no issues. So what is the response that is given when the damnation never comes? They always say god is all knowing and we can't comprehend his wisdom and that they will receive their punishment in the afterlife. Do you see how this is not scientific at all? The rules are not bounded in reality. When they claim something will happen and it does they say rejoice in gods glory. But when it doesn't happen, they rejoice in gods wisdom.

J3 1y ago

https://www.thedestinlog.com/story/lifestyle/faith/2017/07/27/have-you-wondered-is-bible-scientifically-accurate/20069002007/

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MAHDOOD

Thanks for sharing. It’s an interesting opinion but that is all it is.

John 14:6 says: I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

You can argue that it’s out of context or that I’m interpreting it wrong but this does not mean that there is an objective interpretation. They are all interpretations and, therefore, opinions.

J3 1y ago

I believe nothing is 100% provable. I follow evidence. The Bible is accurate scientifically, archeological, historically and the messianic prophecies that have come true with 100% accuracy are huge (even from secular/non Christian sources such as Tacitus, Pliny the younger, etc).

I do however, stray from most “religious people” in that I believe if everyone is made in God’s image, they all deserve the right to question, offer their insights/opinions, share ideas without it having to be a “I’m right, you’re wrong debate”.

We are all trying to make it in life, understand pain and suffering, answer the why’s, explore, etc.

I am currently reading the Quran, and I’ve studied many, many belief systems. If I want to get answers, if they can be given, concerning the afterlife and where I will spend eternity, I want to research myself and follow the evidence.

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MAHDOOD

It seems like you have the narrative wrong. Jesus only revealed himself to his disciples. There were not thousands of witnesses. Even then, witnessing something over 2000 years ago is not relevant proof today. All these claims can’t be proven.

It’s also funny that you want research for the claim that people witnessed Muhammad’s ascent to heaven but you’re perfectly fine accepting that Jesus rose from the dead. Both acts are impossible but you have a bias that lets you disregard logic when it comes to your religion.

I can’t share any books because I don’t really care. It’s not a great use of your time but this was the first thing that came up on Google:

https://www.quora.com/Was-there-any-witness-to-Muhammads-ascent-to-heaven

You’re missing the point though. Why don’t you read the books written by atheists who converted to Hinduism or Buddhism or Islam? Why not read about Scientology? What about all the religions of ancient native Americans? What about the indigenous tribes living in Alaska? For hundreds of years these people were isolated from your religion. Are they all going to hell? They never even heard of Jesus and when they did it was forced upon them. Read about native Americans being tortured and killed for refusing to accept Jesus as lord and savior. Why should they believe you? Your claims are not facts. They can’t be proven. Your religion is no better than any other. It lacks logic like the rest of them.