Why don't you just READ what I actually posted — reading educates, and maybe you'll learn something

Saying something also helps a lot - for E2EE the middle means nothing at all. The risk is on the end device and the metadata collection. How would cloud affect E2EE? Even Cloudflare only breaks SSL - if the content is encrypted on device, it stays that way to the other side.

There is a big difference that I pointed out - WhatsApp T&Cs specifically state upstream sharing of metadata to Facebook and their partners. You can also be very sure that WhatsApp sees a lot more metadata than Signal, as in lots. That's the big difference for me and why I deleted WhatsApp.

Very cool. What sets this apart from signal? I like the idea of paying in sats one time. And no phone number attached.

OK but that is a Cloudflare vulnerability actually? Signal is still more private than WhatsApp?

Signalk is E2EE for sure so it does not matter where it goes through. The risk is on the end devices, and that risk is the same for Threema, Briar, and others.

I was referring though to no evidence of Signal selling data. Yes, metadata does have to be handed over if there is a legal process from government, and that goes for any government and country, and is also where the US CLOUD Act comes in. Other governments have similar provisions.

The fact remains though that my comparison was between Signal and WhatsApp. Signal has minimal metadata and does not willingly share or onsell that data, whilst WhatsApp actively collects metadata and does willingly share it with others (as their T&Cs state). That is the big difference.

Between the two, for mainstream non-tech users, I'd rather see them using Signal than WhatsApp. Such users are very rarely going to find their way on properly secure and private messengers.

The problem with all that is there is ZERO proof of that. It is all assumptions, people "close to", and associations. It is the same stuff that the US government never presented about Huawei and TikTok, which is why I don't believe that about Huawei or TikTok until we see some actual evidence from proper security audit reports.

Mentally, I just switch off from all "could be" reports. Those are the basis of conspiracy theories. I'm waiting to see proper peer reviewed reports of whether Signal has actually shared any data or not.

We all know that any company can be legally subpoenaed in any country to hand over the data they DO have in their possession. So yes Signal, WhatsApp, Telegram, and many others would have to do that. The question for me is whether Signal would be willingly sharing such data with any 3rd parties - for that, we have no evidence at all.

That type of behaviour has been proven from Facebook for example with their Cambridge Analytica scandal as one example. WhatsApp we know from their T&Cs that they do share the user metadata with upstream (Facebook) and partners. Again, no evidence that Signal does this.

Yes the ideal would be to be completely log-free, phone number-free, etc like Briar, Threema, Session, SimpleX, and others. Then there would be nothing to hand over. But Signal appears to have trodden an ethical line so far, until proven otherwise.

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