Calling everything censorship is confusing and a waste of time. Using the term in its broadest sense leaves so much room for confusion that you'd be better off using a different term. And that may just be the case at this point.

For example:

Government putting you in jail for saying you hate war is censorship.

X removing child pornography is censorship, in the broadest sense. But it's also an illegal and immoral material.

Let's say someone on X posts a video detailing how much they hate some particular race and want them to all die, for example. This isn't necessarily illegal in the US without some threat, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a violation of the service's terms of use or moral standards. Removing it is censorship in a broad sense, but it is their right and I'd guess a large portion of X users and customers would prefer to not associate with such content.

I prefer to use censorship in the context of force, such as government force against pure speech or thought. The lines are a lot more clear. Private property vs Government force.

Nostr clients and relays should absolutely be able to filter certain objectionable content. I would not use Nostr if I had to be subjected to whatever anyone anywhere wanted to post. They can run their own relay and client if they wish, but that's the freedom aspect to me. I don't value the freedom to subject anyone to anything at any time. That isn't what free speech even means., and I don't think telling someone to simply not use Nostr is a strategic response. That's a great way to go nowhere fast and end up associated with something that becomes known as a place for child pornography creators and similar to hangout. Good luck with that.

What gets filtered will always be debated, and my opinion is that Nostr is beautiful because we can all choose what level of filtration is right for us. I think this issue will be a bigger focus as more people join. It has to be. I've already seen things using certain clients that were annoying, and other things that were absolutely disgusting and immoral. I would have already dipped if that was the case no matter what I did as a user.

Some baseline safety is going to be required for most people to comfortably use Nostr, and that means there will always be some 'censorship' involved. It isn't always bad, and having it as an option isn't a bad thing either. What is bad is having no control as a user one way or the other, which is what I think Nostr will actually solve.

Why the fuck should I go through notes and notes of spam? Just because you are free to write it and have relays that will transmit it, it doesn’t mean I need to see it. The beaty of nostr is that users can filter the stuff they don’t want to see.

If someone isn’t behaving on nostr, they go to shadow realm. If someone is wasting my time I will never see their notes again. Shadow (Mute) Realm on nostr is unforgiving place.

using a relay that blocks some kinds of events is an individual choice. Running your own relay that does not block anything is also an individual choice. It's all at the individual level, and the protocol guarantees you that.

Thats filtering up there not censorship

So its censorship resistant than, whats your point? My suggestion doesn’t make nostr any less censorship resistant, it just provides a tool for cleaning up spam on relays, noone has to use the tool. Get a grip dude

Also, would love you to run you own public relay without spam protections. When it starts dumping megabytes of spam into everyones threads and notifications people won’t want to use it, even with client based filtering, because its a waste of data and has additional mental burden of accidentally filtering people who are legitimate and outside your WoT.

You don’t have to use my relay

I know people are going to fight me on this but they are wrong. It’s like going around jamming a mesh network signal and drowning it with noise. Is it censorship to stop that signal? No, the jamming is disrupting the network.

I almost never suggest this kind of thing at the relay level but you *can’t* do this kind of filtering at the client level, since IPs are not exposed to clients. If we’re pumping megabytes of spam to clients for filtering that is not really ideal either.

Again, this is just a *public* relay issue, a fight I’m not willing to give up yet since you shouldn’t need to pay or KYC to speak nostr:note1h7xfv9gu0vq4ktqvwref2un4vx5nqp3fsa5j24660r85jhm4wngqxc633h

My entire email inbox is filled with spam. Wish i had an easy to use friend filter there like i do on damus :(

I have way more contacts on here than my email contacts… so would be effective 🤔 nostr:note10m9f6zlulmev4gcmj2cwzdzkfnj0rac55dgzrgkjakkglqc83passu5p6l

Im ok with centralized banning of spammers on public relays. Hopefully this is the censorship we can all get behind. That and banning cp on media hosts.

I’m ok with coordinated engineering efforts to censor specific things while keeping the network censorship resistant for legitimate activity. Bitcoin is censorship resistant but still “censors” certain types of spam at the p2p layer so everyone can actually use the system for its intended purpose.

Bitcoin is even more extreme, these censorship rules (standardness rules) are centralized and decided by a few people. I’m not even suggesting that, i’m just suggesting a reputation based approach that relays can tap into or not.

Spam does not deserve the same censorship resistance properties as legitimate activity. nostr:note1czywrqx87muljstlez0r4c8075ddsukxv0pmv6wvcrfq3lfqtrnqy2r2l2

Thoughts on Eric Prince’s unplugged phone?

The very day I can use my existing android phone instead of a Google Pixel I'll be GrapheneOS's biggest fan.

#Monday at work #Mood #Dogstr

Should we start using "dumbphones"? Has anyone done it?

Good morning.

Good morning nostr, we're waking up to what will be a beautiful sunny day, in the 40's later. And the best part is I dont see any subfreezing temps in the current forecast, so that is a wonderful thing.

Think we'll head over to the resale shop today since we missed it yesterday, then I need to work on cleaning the bnb cabin and catching up on lots of stuff. Yall have a great day nostr friends, enjoy your coffee, and remember that today is a gift. #coffeechan #grownostr #homesteading #bnbstr

"An early morning walk is a blessing for the whole day." Henry David Thoreau

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Without a warrant no government official can enter your home unless you grant permission.

Have you ever thought about this and the fact that in the myth of vampires, they too can only enter your house if you give them permission?

If you have not, may be you should.