nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqy98u6vcmvnxz0vt0z6d37827zxwzt7zy3dxzxr60x9sd9awh62mq3vc5n8 I think we’re very close to solving. We have the data, journey planner and the contracts to sell all involved carriers. Currently working on the technical integration for sales. Here’s the same search on Railfinder:
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqhak5wp25l628apamujugpsqelu8cvtjm0ule2gztjvl5tgvud06s8h3met I expect you to be the first to solve this, yes.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqy98u6vcmvnxz0vt0z6d37827zxwzt7zy3dxzxr60x9sd9awh62mq3vc5n8 7:54 from GDL to Dole, there change to the TER.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqudy93smdcg9mcwaz5jenweuwags6hv448hj4hjpha0prvdr0eeaqe76pxu Agh sod. There must be one somewhere! 🙂
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqy98u6vcmvnxz0vt0z6d37827zxwzt7zy3dxzxr60x9sd9awh62mq3vc5n8 Briancon - Paris usually only involves one change. There is even a direct train (because in France your town does not really exist without a direct train to Paris). I think that basically all of France is max 1 change away from Paris.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqy98u6vcmvnxz0vt0z6d37827zxwzt7zy3dxzxr60x9sd9awh62mq3vc5n8 you are trying to do something that SNCF would outlaw if they had the power to do so: Use the train to go from somewhere not Paris to somewhere else not Paris.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqudy93smdcg9mcwaz5jenweuwags6hv448hj4hjpha0prvdr0eeaqe76pxu I think you could come up with a roughly similar conundrum from Briancon to Paris though? 🤔
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqy98u6vcmvnxz0vt0z6d37827zxwzt7zy3dxzxr60x9sd9awh62mq3vc5n8 the interrail trip planner does a decent job on this one, but of course it can't actually sell any tickets ;-)
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqyr3nhd5rsn0h63zdprvghgu0agr0azkdg08yhuy5q7gznfxzquzsk2tm2j Which - given it uses more or less the same dataset as DB - is no surprise! nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqz9ua28c3n0k75r3sdlvmketvz0mk5sah5kxapv2lkptvtw969mtqwxpxvu
Geopolitics had the Schleswig Holstein Question
Machine intelligence has the Turing Test
And here we have the passenger railway equivalent - the VALENCE-ARMENTIÈRES PROBLEM
What the problem is, and why no one solves it currently, explained 👇
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqtwh6nyxpf4d2m5e2c3ncynctetzpgxxl9k9f4xz4t4rgdvhmv72sc69374 And I wondered: what about going to Ancona and taking a ferry to Split. But there your problem is… 🥁 Paris-Milano. You cannot get to Paris from London early enough, and so that makes getting to Ancona a total pain.
Not sure what the hell the conclusion is for you here though! Buy an Interrail and make a bit of an adventure out of it?
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqtwh6nyxpf4d2m5e2c3ncynctetzpgxxl9k9f4xz4t4rgdvhmv72sc69374 Honestly *any* night train through to the Balkans is going to be hellish slow! At least that one is every night, and reliable-ish.
And having checked with contacts, there’ll be a Zagreb-Split every night, and Bratislava-Wien-Split and Budapest-Split each a couple of nights a week this summer. None very useful.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqy98u6vcmvnxz0vt0z6d37827zxwzt7zy3dxzxr60x9sd9awh62mq3vc5n8 Leaving the accent out is kind of good, though, since they won’t find the place unless you use the right (!) accent. Not speaking French, I can never find Liège without first googling which way the accent goes.
(They find both Lüttich and Luik, but then they leave out the Guillemins bit, so you don’t know whether that’s right either.)
(And yes, this is all kinds of backwards but there you go.)
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqq5aex5tu4klzdek95t3ajmsnus6p7qc2euw4w0tere8zfecse7wskdtddn Sure, this goes both ways. You need searches that can accommodate both, but how it then *displays* in your search result ought to be correct.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqdt339ahlahmsy4z258nrhcqg9q4lajadh396xftvsjdphxtk435qn3naah Sadly this problem is more business-financial than nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpq7q4accvk0ckcxadxkp73z2v6as7s5mj2kng947dlm9den70fe32s3pv25x can really solve. I reckon only EU law is going to fix this actually.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqy98u6vcmvnxz0vt0z6d37827zxwzt7zy3dxzxr60x9sd9awh62mq3vc5n8 Indeed, summer travel: July or August. It's so hard to find this basic info. I am missing a "hipmunk" website (a now defunct air travel website) that aggregates all train operators across all countries and lists all options by time and price.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqtwh6nyxpf4d2m5e2c3ncynctetzpgxxl9k9f4xz4t4rgdvhmv72sc69374 This you mean? https://jonworth.eu/the-rail-planning-tool-we-need-in-europe/ 🙂
Re. seasonal night trains - let me check for you what some friends in the industry reckon will run! Be aware though the line to Split is diesel only, and hellish slow though
Post-script
Yes, I know nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpq7q4accvk0ckcxadxkp73z2v6as7s5mj2kng947dlm9den70fe32s3pv25x and I like it, but it handles this no better than Trainline or SNCF Connect
Kombo manages to do even worse, finding no results *at all*
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqdt339ahlahmsy4z258nrhcqg9q4lajadh396xftvsjdphxtk435qn3naah (but putting it bluntly: there are limits to the data nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpq7q4accvk0ckcxadxkp73z2v6as7s5mj2kng947dlm9den70fe32s3pv25x can get, and at what cost, meaning currently it cannot solve a problem like this better than anyone else can, sadly)
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqdt339ahlahmsy4z258nrhcqg9q4lajadh396xftvsjdphxtk435qn3naah No nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpq7q4accvk0ckcxadxkp73z2v6as7s5mj2kng947dlm9den70fe32s3pv25x doesn't handle it any better. And I have chatted about why with nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpq3s65qpcfljd3kk9rck9ngu3guwe28cl6ku6ah03vwc946wf8dc3qx2zqly
So let's call this the “Valence - Armentières Problem”
If and when someone builds *the* perfect rail app of the future, it ought to be able to route me correctly AND sell me tickets for this one!
/ends
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqy98u6vcmvnxz0vt0z6d37827zxwzt7zy3dxzxr60x9sd9awh62mq3vc5n8 Thank you very much. I am looking for a way to go from London to Split, Croatia in about 1 day by train, and the Venice sleeper train holds so much promise, perhaps by changing trains in Innsbruck rather than going all the way to Venice.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqtwh6nyxpf4d2m5e2c3ncynctetzpgxxl9k9f4xz4t4rgdvhmv72sc69374 I'd probably do it this way:
Eurostar London-Paris
TGV Lyria Paris-Zürich
EuroNight Zürich-Zagreb
HZPP IC Zagreb-Split
But having done all of those... damn it's painful
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqy98u6vcmvnxz0vt0z6d37827zxwzt7zy3dxzxr60x9sd9awh62mq3vc5n8 Thank you very much. I am looking for a way to go from London to Split, Croatia in about 1 day by train, and the Venice sleeper train holds so much promise, perhaps by changing trains in Innsbruck rather than going all the way to Venice.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqtwh6nyxpf4d2m5e2c3ncynctetzpgxxl9k9f4xz4t4rgdvhmv72sc69374 Oh sod. Don’t.
When in the year do you want to attempt this? There might be other summertime sleeper trains that do a better job.