I see. The best is to look the theorem itself and the proof that accompanies it. In a nutshell, there is a surplus value created by the production procedure, and that whole surplus value ends up only in the pocket of the business owner. I hope that i am not confusing you, i am not really good on explaining things.
Yes as i said, even if you don't want to steal, the system works this way. Guys all the top economists of the west, tried to debunk the theorem for decades for a reason. There is literally a ton of books and other critics on the subject. All of them failed so far. Half of the planet tried in the past to switch to socialism because of this. Have a look...
Agreement between the tiger and the deer about the tiger's meal, is pure cheating.
Anyway look... About this particular subject, for obvious reasons, there was a huge effort during the cold war, to find an excuse to justify the stealing. Because it was recognised as stealing to the capitalist world also and as i said and as it is famously well known, this theorem comes with a proof. So, relatively close to the cold war, they ended up with the excuse we have already discussed. The risk of the business owner. That is the best they could come up with and as we saw, this excuse is more than weak. That is what they also teached, otherwise no academic career... Recently, a few years ago, i heard something about trying to justify the stealing through the theory of marginal utility, if you are aware. Of course this failed too and never heard that again since then. The only thing that can really dispute the surplus value theorem is technology, as i have already said, because it might change the situation, depending on the case, making the human work less important.
Anyway, i don't say that you don't know economics, you are probably better than me on many things, why not, but this is not your thing.
I guess the next subject i would like to discuss with you, if you are in the mood, would come also as a surprise.
By the way, i am not a marxist or something like this...
Well the surplus value theorum PROVES that it is stealing. So...
Yes, that's why i said that this is a very good approach, and healthy approach as much as it takes, i add now. Still your company though, not the workers company, aka your benefit.
About the risks, a worker can even lose his life due to the job. Is there a bigger risk? Risk, in general, is not an excuse for stealing the workers by keeping the surplus. I am telling this, because this is why risk is involved in such conversations, it was invented as an excuse during the cold war as an effort to justify the theft.
No, it is not possible in many cases and for many reasons, for a worker to start it's own business, but yes , on the other hand there are many cases that workers can make their own business or cooperate with others, but they don't do it usually for the exact same reasons you already mentioned. So, it depends on the case, you can be well right with your criticism on this, i certainly can agree too, but not a general rule. Far from that.
Don't unterestimate dishwashers
Right, this is a very good approach, but...
The fact remains that even if you don't want to steal the worker, you still steal the worker because you keep the surplus for yourself. It is the system that works this way. Moreover there is a risk on the side of the worker too, a risk that quite well be bigger than any businesses owner or ceo will take, especially if the worker does a dangerous job.
It's just a way to exploit the workforce, only that one thing has changed. That is technology that in some cases makes workforce not really important so it could be somewhat disputable
Political economy like for example the surplus value theorem from marx
Woo thank you. Never noticed or thought to do that before and it's been years since i played that game. Thank you
I bet this exact thought is not new in you. It comes every now and then. At least that's what happens to me with this exact same thought. I never dared to say it though... Sometimes trouble comes when you agitate these waters
I'll take the big one with the centimeters. An oven spaghetti too 😁
It's only one game, the prisoners dilemma, but is very good.
Well, i prefer "give me a reason" from portishead where the music originally comes from anyway
The everyday thing is hard. What else comes in mind first?
Just keep in mind that the tomatoes of this season will probably look as expected even IF they are cross pollinated. You will see the differences if any, in the next season mainly when you grow the plants of this season's seeds.
Anyway it would be interesting in every case might happen. Enjoy!
So what do you think of this?