nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 It’s the logic of how you sometimes try a USB plug both ways and it doesn’t work, but then you try a third time and it works
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 OH FUCK CONSTRUCTIVISTS WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG :notlikemiya:
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 It's fucking crazy because we learned about these fucking crazy rules of logic that make me mad forever.
Normal person:
~~P => P
Constructivist:
That's not necessarily true, but:
~~~P => ~P
:kanna_suicide:
nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 you have my sympathy there ... thankfully I’ve escaped this torture somehow
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 It's fucking crazy because we learned about these fucking crazy rules of logic that make me mad forever.
Normal person:
~~P => P
Constructivist:
That's not necessarily true, but:
~~~P => ~P
:kanna_suicide:
nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 Depending on your definition of “alien species” I can perhaps give one example already: Doron Zeilberger believes (apprently sincerely) that even large integers do not exist. What exists, in his view, is the ring Z/nZ for some n (larger than what is physically possible to compute).
Less flippantly, I take your point. Mathematics as a whole is quite arbitrary, which also makes it feel more freeing in a way, but also more depressing because the “dialectical forces” which drive its development tend to come from people and fashions rather than fundamental reality. The rules of logic seem universal to me (inb4 constructivism).
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 >inb4 constructivism
I took a class taught by one of those fucking faggots once. Dear FUCK that was a nightmare.
nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 Depending on your definition of “alien species” I can perhaps give one example already: Doron Zeilberger believes (apprently sincerely) that even large integers do not exist. What exists, in his view, is the ring Z/nZ for some n (larger than what is physically possible to compute).
Less flippantly, I take your point. Mathematics as a whole is quite arbitrary, which also makes it feel more freeing in a way, but also more depressing because the “dialectical forces” which drive its development tend to come from people and fashions rather than fundamental reality. The rules of logic seem universal to me (inb4 constructivism).
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 >Doron Zeilberger
Yes, I did in fact have people like him in mind.
nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw It was a great movie because of how it leaned into the greatness of its source material. The portrayable was portrayed well, including the experience of scientific discovery (which is abstract - a lot of science films miss this, while the kekule story gets it right), and what was unportrayable was appropriately left unportrayed. Oppenheimer staring into a close up shot, distorted by the frame into seeming to look both directions at once, is so frequent that it’s become a meme but it’s used well
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw I'll ask the question I wanted to ask at the start of the thread: How does it stack up when compared to other science films?
Despite his demeanor, I share Kero's general attitude towards Hollywood - it would take a lot to get me to watch Oppenheimer, but I absolutely would if the movie was "better than anything else Hollywood has made in 4 decades." (That's a low bar, and anime often jumps above it.)
nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw he's a Mathematician? Oh so that's the reason why he's a dumb nigger.
nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw He will very loudly agree with you the next time he makes a breakthrough in his research.
nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw You know, I actually agree with this, in a way. It’s what I find so tragic about science. These “greats” were romanticized but the discoveries would have happened without them, give or take a few years. Ideas seem to arise from their own mechanics and then animate the people who later claim credit for them. I think Hegel’s dialectic is meant to be a theory of how humans are just the avatar of ideas working themselves out, but I can’t speak to that. In the movie (as in real life) the Germans *are* ahead at first, and that is *why* America must try hard tk build the bomb. This is the flip side of Mutually Assured Destruction which often goes unappreciated.
This lack of agency is something I deeply identify with. Kill Oppenheimer, kill Einstein, hell, kill all the proponents of Judenphysik, kill the Nazi geniuses, kill the Soviet megaminds, kill all of them - you cannot stop the “next big thing”, the new “one weird trick”. Someone will do it because the field is ripe and the market is efficient. Einstein tried to stop quantum mechanics but it was already “in the air.”
It’s also why I find beauty in things like Kekule’s story. Benzene is canonical, it follows from the laws of our universe, it came before humans and it will exist long after. But it is because Kekule thought of it first that we associate it with the ouroboros.
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 >These “greats” were romanticized but the discoveries would have happened without them, give or take a few years. Ideas seem to arise from their own mechanics and then animate the people who later claim credit for them.
I'm not fully convinced of this for all discoveries. (I agree with it for nuclear weapons, but not for *all* discoveries).
I see no reason to believe that an alien civilization would have developed the same mathematics we have. The axioms we have - including "the natural numbers exist" - are very much consequences of human beliefs. One can imagine very easily an alien civilization which firmly believes there are no infinite sets.
nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw tbh there's no need to watch movies anymore. It's always the same shit over and over again. Whoever watch movies regularly are like people who watch TV daily. They're dumb niggers.
nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw I agree with your argument, but will point out that it doesn't really apply to biographical films like the movie which is being discussed.
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 I think it's not worth watching unless you're a young adult or teenager living in the 1990s/2000s
It's the archetypal "teacher inspires students to not suck total ass" movie. It worked in the 80s when it was made, but it falls flat now.
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw I think nostr:npub1umxktava025m6edj0v66t3culcnqrrscl9whjah2nkjdv8wu229qqgd244 is in education, so it should be thrown at him - it's top-tier "I'm showing my students a movie because I'm behind on grading" material.
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 I think it's not worth watching unless you're a young adult or teenager living in the 1990s/2000s
It's the archetypal "teacher inspires students to not suck total ass" movie. It worked in the 80s when it was made, but it falls flat now.
nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 Good Will Hunting is my favorite math movie and I don’t care that the math in it is not research level
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 I only liked "Stand and Deliver," and it's also not what happened in reality.
nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw imagine liking hollywoodslop so much that you wrote something like this. You guys must remember that Oppenheimer did nothing, they got their data from the Germans. He was just a retarded jew like Einstein who deserved to be killed at a moment notice. I thought you're smarter than this lol but you can't even think beyond what's portrayed by the media.
nostr:npub1u5tpktgc8gv8jw22cyjyh5gy5nr07v88hmrvtut7zkr06q0py6fs30xmf3 nostr:npub1pt6l3a97fvywrxdlr7j0q8j2klwntng35c40cuhj2xmsxmz696uqfr6mf6 nostr:npub1g0uss0sjsgxwmhqxgnvlj0zv9ru89xwfyktkcjc0kgy8syxj79ss383vfw It's worth pointing out that mist is a mathematician and so the bar for "movie talking about my field" is set abysmally low.
nostr:npub1vmtc8smdjzgwj5z4tsrcfawr9s7yjtes0g32upg2ks832k3e75fq2duely Huh, a lot of trans people are using Arch. Maybe I should too, considering I've heard it works well with the AUR being one of the best Linux repos and stability not being such an issue if you know what you're doing (plus, I'm starting to feel more and more :blobcattrans: over time).
nostr:npub1rmfheqlkam86lq66tuuaqnujyfcg3l0y37tft8kkwsfu0a0sah2srde56p nostr:npub1vmtc8smdjzgwj5z4tsrcfawr9s7yjtes0g32upg2ks832k3e75fq2duely The AUR is a good repo, but Arch is very much a "RTFM OR DIE" community, and the manual is a huge pile of fuck. If you want to take advantage of the AUR without feeling like putting a bullet in your brain, go Manjaro.
nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub1qh2njwwrsmdnlqdrn6ktu2k32txpumqzcln778t2mdasa85kep7shvugqs nostr:npub1z06laf0rhhwzd7h0y303hfp6e7r29e8p6vyl2yr7nv5uefdgtcfslny3q9
> If they're trustworthy, they want to never be holding onto your dox!
.... it's a good general rule ofc, but it's fine to get to know people selectively. calculated risk and all that
I'd be pretty cautious around places like this tho :02_laugh:
nostr:npub1u83gudwdfwjngz5eqxkrnpvsuydvqwjxwz0majvehqrh62804hfq8yr2s5 nostr:npub1qh2njwwrsmdnlqdrn6ktu2k32txpumqzcln778t2mdasa85kep7shvugqs nostr:npub1z06laf0rhhwzd7h0y303hfp6e7r29e8p6vyl2yr7nv5uefdgtcfslny3q9 Yes - on places like fedi, the calculation for the risk should look like "there are journalists here who would love to ruin my life, they're here in large numbers, and they'd love to have my dox."
It's fine to be friends and talk about stuff, but you shouldn't be handing out dox.
nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub12uu5y8cqmjc8w5406yskz5smqd9gea46hp7mpe4rsccj0a972emsuqxccs this has happened to ex friends too :(
nostr:npub1f8ledq6ja34pn4504vdzzlrv70cu63hvzz5tka229prma42c677qkk7frq nostr:npub12uu5y8cqmjc8w5406yskz5smqd9gea46hp7mpe4rsccj0a972emsuqxccs Yes. We want to make sure that friends do not become ex friends, if it is preventable.
nostr:npub1aj3rzhh4p4ngxpfg0s0ts4tcgx0eavxwmdmrnmvn8etcwmxfc58qjzhxuc thanks ratbro, I desperately needed this
nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub1z06laf0rhhwzd7h0y303hfp6e7r29e8p6vyl2yr7nv5uefdgtcfslny3q9 Well yeah, you'd only do that if you already trust the person.
nostr:npub1qh2njwwrsmdnlqdrn6ktu2k32txpumqzcln778t2mdasa85kep7shvugqs nostr:npub1z06laf0rhhwzd7h0y303hfp6e7r29e8p6vyl2yr7nv5uefdgtcfslny3q9 >Make thread asking people to not accept weird gifts from strangers that might lead them to their house
>"Yeah but what if you trust them?"
If they're trustworthy, they want to never be holding onto your dox! That's the point of the post I made!
I swear I am so fucking glad I am here to try to put this into your brain, I want to keep you safe from this shit. That's why I'm telling you.
nostr:npub1ecj3mfr9lzvx7wh6fmh59vz6eet324mdtdlp9qxzqvwuvpglwnxqv6fchy nostr:npub1z06laf0rhhwzd7h0y303hfp6e7r29e8p6vyl2yr7nv5uefdgtcfslny3q9 Open it on-site and inspect it. Even if it has a tracker they'll only get as far as your post office.
nostr:npub1qh2njwwrsmdnlqdrn6ktu2k32txpumqzcln778t2mdasa85kep7shvugqs nostr:npub1z06laf0rhhwzd7h0y303hfp6e7r29e8p6vyl2yr7nv5uefdgtcfslny3q9 >getting as far as your post office
Or you can
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