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You are totally wrong. Amassing nuts makes someone better at grabbing nuts cause it can eat. My confused commie friend. No worry, now if instead of capitalism I imagine you talking about communism it all works. You are a poor American soul confused to the bones

Giorgia Meloni è un mostro come mostri sono i fascisti che la votano.

I fascisti sono buoni solo quando sono appesi a testa in giù.

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In your perspective, do you consider using a tool like a stone to crack a nut equivalent to the ongoing accumulation of capital to enhance productivity?

I start thinking you are more communist than me

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In your perspective, do you consider using a tool like a stone to crack a nut equivalent to the ongoing accumulation of capital to enhance productivity?

Capitalism is a system in which bank play a central role as well as financial institutions. Capitalism without banks is not capitalism as it is based on debts and loans. You cannot have capitalism without banks, how would that work? If someone collects stuff, with which he does his own job, you would call it capitalism, I would call it communism. The difference is that in capitalism an entity can own the means of production and pay a salary to people in order to make them work. In communism this cannot work, the idea is to create small entities (Soviet) which democratically manage the community on the edge, not in the central government as in capitalism. Capitalism without a central bank is still capitalism, where few people can own so much capital that they provide means for productions for people they hire for a misery salary

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I was not using the fisherman to explain what capitalism is, you did.

Marmots for sure accumulate nuts. No doubt about it. Would that accumulation enhance productivity? Well yes cause they have food that they can use in periods where there is not much around. So yes. They are capitalists in your definition.

Accumulation of capital to enhance productivity.

Also this is a super vague definition which is not exclusive to capitalism. Managing capital is banned in communism. Is just the way that the leading class uses the force class which is sort of enslaving.

Are you not part of the working class?

Are you a capital owner and earn your capital on the job other people do?

Managing capital IS NOT banned * i mistyped

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In your perspective, do you consider using a tool like a stone to crack a nut equivalent to the ongoing accumulation of capital to enhance productivity?

I was not using the fisherman to explain what capitalism is, you did.

Marmots for sure accumulate nuts. No doubt about it. Would that accumulation enhance productivity? Well yes cause they have food that they can use in periods where there is not much around. So yes. They are capitalists in your definition.

Accumulation of capital to enhance productivity.

Also this is a super vague definition which is not exclusive to capitalism. Managing capital is banned in communism. Is just the way that the leading class uses the force class which is sort of enslaving.

Are you not part of the working class?

Are you a capital owner and earn your capital on the job other people do?

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You got it. Capitalism is just common sense. Being against capitalism is being against human progress.

You are not talking about capitalism sorry to tell you. Marmots make common sense tools to open nuts and other stuff, they are no capitalists!!

Capitalism is a system which involves the use o money and the creation of Institution, what you refer at capitalism is a mix of communism and natural laws 😂

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Ahahahahah bs

That’s not capitalism, that intrinsically a human behaviour. More. It’s a mammal behave.

What makes the difference between other mammals and us, is that we trade. They don’t.

What you are referring to has nothing to do with capitalism. It’s just commons sense, and it is part of communism too. Why are you trying to trademark a basic human behave as something inherently being part of capitalism???? It makes no sense

There are plenty of mammals who use instruments in order to achieve their goals, are they capitalist too ahahahhahagagagagagagga

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Capitalism involves the accumulation of capital, which encompasses more than just money. Money is merely one aspect of capital. In capitalism, the focus is on amassing additional capital to enhance productivity, thereby freeing up time for other pursuits. Consider a fisherman as an analogy: rather than fishing with bare hands, he invests in building a fishing rod. This investment enables him to catch the same amount of fish in less time, affording him the opportunity to accumulate more productive capital, such as constructing a boat. With the boat, he gains access to previously unreachable fishing grounds, which he couldn't have achieved without the accumulation of capital.

The essence of capitalism revolves around amassing progressively more productive capital to fulfill one's needs more effectively, resulting in greater available time for other endeavors.

Ahahahahah bs

That’s not capitalism, that intrinsically a human behaviour. More. It’s a mammal behave.

What makes the difference between other mammals and us, is that we trade. They don’t.

What you are referring to has nothing to do with capitalism. It’s just commons sense, and it is part of communism too. Why are you trying to trademark a basic human behave as something inherently being part of capitalism???? It makes no sense

Yes, I get your argument that communism doesn't exist and in agree that what you envision hasnt existed. I don't think it can exist. The bitcoineres in here do have a plan and a path to reach a goal and not just some dream of a Utopia with no routes found.

But by your own logic, how can you to tell The CCP that they are not communist when they self identify as such? They've been using their definition longer than you have. If you want to propose something like the one true communism, you should rebrand to something new.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_one_country

Actually is you who are willing to call the CCCP a communist state when his biggest advocate (Stalin) called it “Socialism in one country”

In the article they explain how Stalin used some sentences by Lenin to justify his will to create socialism in one country. So technically what the CCCP was it’s a “socialism in one country” type of state. What you guys seem to misunderstand in the concepts, is that private property is not private belongings. Private property refers to the ownership of the means of productions. It means no one sell

his labor in exchange of a pay check. It basically means everyone shall own it’s mean of production to be able to exchange it with others. The way one exchange is not much relevant, and which ever distribution way one may choose, it will anyway create a market. So I sincerely doubt about people talking about Capitalism and Bitcoin, it just feels like some sort of enslaver who is willing to takeover something new and bring into that an old and corrupted system.

I am communist , it doesn’t mean I don’t want to sell the stuff I do!!! While you guys pretend to have the monopoly on any market. If there is a market it’s a capitalistic market. And if it’s not a capitalistic market (of which the goal is to earn more profit) it’s just shit!!

Actually I would argue that, communism is the goal and capitalism is the mean. True capitalism brings prices down this means that things become eventually so cheap that they are free, and if there is no need to use money to exchange, then you got communism!!!

Yes, I get your argument that communism doesn't exist and in agree that what you envision hasnt existed. I don't think it can exist. The bitcoineres in here do have a plan and a path to reach a goal and not just some dream of a Utopia with no routes found.

But by your own logic, how can you to tell The CCP that they are not communist when they self identify as such? They've been using their definition longer than you have. If you want to propose something like the one true communism, you should rebrand to something new.

I have one question, so you think every bitcoiner is a capitalist with in mind some sort of not clear ideology rather than, accumulate more sats than you can?

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Actually that is the same argument for Capitalism, but to be sincere, capitalism = fascism/nazism or communism = Stalinism … sorry but I go with Stalin not with Hitler

They both are ideas..

One ends up in totalitarianism (capitalism)

The other in some sort of Stalinism (communism)

Again, I rather choose Stalin who killed many oppositore of course but he also killed a good amount of Nazi scam .. so I go against the nazi if I have to chose.

I am sure if someone takes a closer look capitalism and communism tends both towards the same infinite like, maybe from opposite directions. So probably the best way would be some sort of balance between the two. But that’s not true even, cause probably what we live in is some sort of mix, leaning more towards capitalism tho.

Yes, I get your argument that communism doesn't exist and in agree that what you envision hasnt existed. I don't think it can exist. The bitcoineres in here do have a plan and a path to reach a goal and not just some dream of a Utopia with no routes found.

But by your own logic, how can you to tell The CCP that they are not communist when they self identify as such? They've been using their definition longer than you have. If you want to propose something like the one true communism, you should rebrand to something new.

Actually that is the same argument for Capitalism, but to be sincere, capitalism = fascism/nazism or communism = Stalinism … sorry but I go with Stalin not with Hitler

Yes, I get your argument that communism doesn't exist and in agree that what you envision hasnt existed. I don't think it can exist. The bitcoineres in here do have a plan and a path to reach a goal and not just some dream of a Utopia with no routes found.

But by your own logic, how can you to tell The CCP that they are not communist when they self identify as such? They've been using their definition longer than you have. If you want to propose something like the one true communism, you should rebrand to something new.

Stalin defined his communism as “Communism in one state” which differs from the idea of communism. Lenin opposed to that vision, and Stalin imposed his vision after Lenin death, by killing the oppositions, which is not exactly what I have in my mind when I think about communism

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That’s just a bs. Communism is a system without money. Where was a system without money in history in the whole world? It never happened. Of course if only one country has no money those will money will corrupt their way in. No doubt about it

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From my perspective capitalism and free market are not the same.

Capitalism describes the way how we increase our productivity by accumulating more capital and the allocation of resources.

A free market, on the other hand, refers to the unregulated interaction of buyers and sellers where transactions occur without government intervention, price controls, or monopolies.

The combination of these factors, bolstered by hard money, supercharges societal growth.

In contrast, the use of fiat currency and interventionism can disrupt economic dynamics, leading to diminished productivity gains and, in extreme cases, wealth erosion.

Personally I understand the point, but I don’t see it as being capitalism. It feels more like you are saying, capitalism is broken, so we need to change it!

Capitalism is a system we’re people with capital earn money providing other people with means of production, and earn money from the work of other people.

This system has historically been built upon centralised entities that we today call democracy, banks and monetary funds.

Democracy and capitalism are just as good as nazi fascism.

Actually the result of the compounding actions of people and countries alike, lead us to the situation we live today, where for the sake of money, one can occupy Palestine for 70 years and no-one says nothing, but when Russia invades poor Nazis in Ukraine everyone point the finger.

Also in this environment, enlightened visions like communism, which at the base is nothing but let people live and don’t put money constraint on them, has been depaupered from its ethimological meaning, and has been substituted by visions and descriptions provided by people who oppose to the Plebs liberty.

People freedom is communism.

Capital prison is Capitalism

People shall be granted the opportunity to own their means of productions, meaning that other people capital shall not provide individuals with private properties with which they can work and pay a tax to the landlord.

Money shall be a mean, not a goal.

If money is a language, then we shall not aim to “stack” words, rather then exchange them.

An economy were people just stack sats is a dead economy before it even starts.

We shall provide our society with a circular economy, so don’t just HODL or ZAP.. spend your bitcoin in the circular economy!

I define myself as a perfect human. Who's gonna tell me otherwise?

No one! And if you actually behave at the best you can, anyone arguing about what you think about yourself is just a FUDder!!

Yea, but this framing of capitalism has been around longer than I have. 100 years ago it was the same situation. Its a broken word.

I'll vote for the name free market, because free is the important bit. Its harder to redefine a word like free.

I don't believe a truly free market is possible either. Just like communism isn't possible. We can at best hope for something closer to a free market.

A free market were people own their means of production!! Yeah that sounding good

You are doing it too, and you argue for an equally unrealistic idea like communism.

I do agree, The capitalism that is desired is one the world hasn't seen yet. It will never be as pure as is desired. At least we could get real close in some areas with cryptoanarchism (bitcoin for example).