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Good morning! Tea or coffee, the same principle applies. We don’t live in climates where coffee/tea grows naturally. It has to be transported thousands of miles and requires special packaging and storage. That tea bag started as a tree that was harvested by a man with a gas powered chainsaw, moved with heavy equipment to a truck where it was shipped to a mill and processed using more heavy machinery, toxic chemicals and dozens of people that drove to work that day. That’s just to make the paper for the teabags. Now apply that thinking to everything you eat. Packaging is one of the biggest parts of everyone’s carbon footprint that is most often ignored.

Cut fuel use by 50%? Most of my food comes without packaging! More like cut fuel use by 1000%

Beef has such a high carbon footprint because it is imported, fed manufactured food and processed in a factory. Try buying a grass fed animal from a local farmer and having it processed by a local butcher. You will support your local economy, get healthier food and actually remove carbon from your footprint. Here in the states we had 30,000,000 buffalo roaming the plains before they were ignorantly slaughtered. Large, grass fed ruminants, when farmed on a savanna type landscape actually help remove carbon from the air and put it in the soil where it belongs. Cows don’t have a bad carbon footprint, how we raise them does.

Thanks for the kind words about the farm. It’s been a lifelong dream that took me 28 years to realize. The goal is to be as self sufficient as possible. I don’t “sell”anything from my farm. Selling invites regulations and government. We trade with other people in our community. For example, recently I traded eggs from my chickens for a bushel of blueberries, traded meat for butter. Last year I produced 1000lbs of food for me and my wife, all in a way that removes carbon from the air. Traded the surplus and returned the excess to the land.

That’s why I asked for a debate. Most people, just like the app you suggested, don’t take lifestyle into account. Sure, I drive an F150 a few thousand miles a year, but I’ll put that carbon up against the carbon emissions for the packaging required for a week’s worth of the average person’s groceries. I believe that on an annual basis my actions result in a net negative carbon footprint. My truck isn’t evil and I wouldn’t be able to lead the life I live without it.

Interesting discussion so far. And thanks for sharing your knowledge as a farmer. It sounds like a great dream to persue! From what I have read so far I am skeptical about your point that the carbon footprint of your meat is so low. What do you think about the following article? It shows the large differences between producers: https://ourworldindata.org/less-meat-or-sustainable-meat

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According to the #earthhero app my emissions from food are 0.66t . If I slide all the sliders to ultra Vegan it drops to 0.33t , so only a saving of 0.33t . Is it worth all the bottom burps 😷😄 , I like my meat and 2 veg, not Steak & eggs 3 times a day like these constipated Maxis.

The biggest savings are not flying & ditch the humongous pickup truck for an #EV or even better - no car.

An area of pristine woodland is holding the maximum amount of Carbon.

Clearing / burning for livestock is the first carbon release. The second release is ruminating livestock that burp methane. Methane is 86x more potent greenhouse gas. Yes there used to be Bison but there’s 5 x as many cows in the US (that produce slightly more methane) as the original Bison herds.

https://www.treehugger.com/how-much-carbon-do-different-forests-store-4857854

https://www.quora.com/How-do-cattle-and-bison-methane-emissions-compare?share=1

There is a lot of misinformation with regards to climate change and those two articles are prime examples. More accurately, and like much of your arguments, incomplete information, lazy research and lots of assumptions.

For example, you just assumed that forest moves more carbon than grasslands. In their book Countdown: The Most Comprehensive Plan Ever Proposed to Reverse Global Warming by Paul Hawken and Tom Steyer. They scientifically demonstrate that an acre of grassland, grazed by ruminants sequesters 8.5 tons of carbon per acre per year. Grazing is required as it stimulates root growth. Roots which grow as much as 14ft deep. While an individual tree sequesters 42lbs of carbon/year. In order to make a proper counterpoint to your statements I literally went into my woods and counted trees (62/acre) Real field science.

According to your little app I produce 8.5 tons of carbon per year. Now subtract their calculations for eating meat every day sinceI raise my own -2.5 ton, the 5 acres of regenerative farm I work -42.5 tons and the 5 acres of forest I leave in a natural state on purpose -1.25 ton. Leaving me with a carbon footprint of -37.75 ton per year.

Now, using the US Environmental Protection Agency numbers of 1.5 ton per year per person in waste (referred to as packaging or lifestyle in my earlier notes) I end up with a net carbon footprint of -39.25 ton per year where you end up with a +4 ton.

The point of my debate was not to swing our dicks around and see who has a smaller carbon footprint, nor was it to belittle you. My points are that until we all practice local sourcing and circular economy we are all the problem. It’s not the cow, it’s the way we farm them. How much methane do you produce a year? A natural lifestyle makes a person carbon negative. Think about that next time you drive some place and eat a meal at a restaurant. YOU are the carbon that needs to be reduced.

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