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Out of curiosity, what is making the influences look stupid in your view? I've heard this take, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

freemymind 🇨🇭 4mo ago

I think one of the big problems are the hypo critic maxis, which claim to be pro-free-market. A free market is based on free decisions. This totally contradicts with humiliating participants for their decisions. People which advocate for a free market, can not also try force people to make some decision to buy Bitcoin.

I think most people have no problem with someone who is very happy to buy this or that stock. Same with Bitcoin and bring up, why they buy it.

But it is very illiberal and toxic, to bully people, which are coming to other conclusions. Like people who spread hate about so called "shitcoiners". This hate against other investments, staying on the fiat you got by working or whatever, is very counterproductive. Since one does simply not look professional and not convince through humiliation.

Someone who is professional can bring up arguments, to what use cases Bitcoin can be a solution to. And this same person still respects the decisions of others, independent of what they conclude to. This kind of respect is the bases, to explain anything at all. Without this one is not even explaining in the first place. Without it one is only selling something at all cost.

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Luke de Wolf 4mo ago

Bullying isn't good. I don't think it's bullying to say that the behavior of Bitcoin Core isn't right in this instance. Nor is it bullying to offer an alternative. I think this is what Trey was referring to.

I'm free-market on this. That includes the free market of ideas.

I'm also not compromising on my view that all "cryptocurrencies" other than Bitcoin are somewhere between scams and useless. But that's a totally different point here than what Trey originally brought up here, I think. Nobody is forcing anyone to adopt Bitcoin. Advocating strongly for it, and advocating against scams: absolutely.

freemymind 🇨🇭 4mo ago

Great to hear, that you are all pro freedom of ideas / speech. And great you also stand against bullying.

But when you look at nostr:nprofile1qyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qg6waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxwet5v9kxy7fwvdhk6tmkxyq3jamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwdehhxamgv4ex2tnrdakj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcqyr25zk3385uyv8le82xpwru5rvkdffn2tn7mkzf5q6tq7m9nz7zf7zs5hlj 's original post, it is a generalistic note against heroifying specific people and against stupid debates. Concluding, that this attitude is probably hindering a lot of people, which are not yet inside the Bitcoin bubble, from entering.

Luke de Wolf 4mo ago

His response to me clarified that he was referring to the Core/Knots debate. But yeah, in general, you're making a fair point.

The trouble is, it's a free market of ideas. So you can't stop the "toxic" maxis from being hyper maxi. But you can tell them you think it's counterproductive. It's up to them if they want to listen. Most don't - I think they see the tradeoff of being toxic as akin to the immune system of Bitcoin, keeping scams and threats away.

I personally don't consider myself toxic, even if I agree with most of their points. There's a more neutral tone, for sure. And I'm also pragmatic. People will do what they want. I can only advocate for what I believe to be the best course of action.

freemymind 🇨🇭 4mo ago

I think we understand each other perfectly well in this point. I am not saying, being maxi and investing every liquidity into Bitcoin is toxic. This is a personal decision. Everyone can decide themselves, if they want to invest 10%, 80%, 100% or even take loans to invest into Bitcoin. Ever individual should use their freedom to make decisions based on their preferences and beliefs. This is all I advocate for.