Ok it seems some topics are difficult to discuss. I assume you award the peace price to Putin, when I follow your wording.
Words will be just words. People will most of the time tend to elect freedom of speech over authoritarian government when having the option. So who should be in the position to stop Ukraine asking for closer relations with europe? When they want to, I think there can be no legitimate contract that prohibits this.
This is the core problem Russia has always had.
They always have to use violence and walls and negative-treaties to bind Europeans to them, as _most Europeans don't want to live like Russians_. It's simply not appealing. If anything, they want to live more like the USA.
Very true.
Agree. Maby not the last sentence, looking at the USA in the current state. With a government attacking the press every time they report critically, ordering equipments of mass surveillance of all their citizen from ICE and committing raids, where officers are by no means identifyable by citizens, so they have no legal responsiblity to their actions.
It seems as if at least the current US government has a big attraction to how Putin organizes his government. There are defnitly parallels to them suppressing their citizen, even when it is not yet at their level.
Well, we don't want to be the USA, but we'd prefer to be like them, than like Russia. On balance.
Maby more true in the past. I think currently with the shifting powers and rapidly falling support from USA, Europe starts to build their independent way of existing. And I support these efforts.
I hope in the path to independence and ramping up military investments, European countries can deflect fascist governments. Since military independence is kind of worth nothing, when the fascist and authoritarian states grow within and then just have the right tools of military to ensure their position in power.
The propaganda machine that designates my government who’s enforcing laws & holding media accountable for spewing hatred. Shifting ideology to socialism and marxism is laughable. It’s like comparing our debt based system to bitcoin, the foundation isn’t built on true value at all. As we can see based on recent judge rulings & successful lawsuits. Don’t listen to the same media that’s based on the printing machine.
No i don't award Putin the peace price, i don't like the role Russia plays on Sudan for example (still better than UAE) as i have already mentioned. And it is not words, Russia promoted peace with facts as i mentioned. What stops you admitting it? Nobody stops Ukraine to have trade relations with eu (there is also a speech from Lavrov saying it) and russian people support Putin, that is clear.
Reread what you wrote. You think Russia is being generous, for _allowing_ Ukraine to trade with the EU.
Russians have to support Putin. They're in a war and it's not like there's an effective opposition for them to support, instead. Russians have no Plan B, and they have learned to accept that.
Also, they like territorial conquest and he keeps telling them that the Empire will live again. So long as the Empire expands, at no direct cost to the ethnic Russians, they will like him. Everyone likes free shit.
But the free shit is about to get expensive, and then we'll see how much they like it.
No i am not telling Russia is generous, i am pointing that Russia has safety issues by the aggressive NATO expansion eastwards, which is the problem.
I could agree with the rest you said.
Yeah, all those eastern countries were tricked or forced to join the only military pack which can protect them.
It has nothing to do with a fact that they were all subjugated to russia's overwhelming love and care for years.
I don't understand why they would want to join.
/s
Thankfully they are not subjucatted now. Only proxy war candidates 😋
It is quiet obvious to see a diffrence between the state Poland, Finnland or Estland is into compared to Ukraine.
So yes they are clearly better off, being part of the alliance, than Ukraine is not till now.
I didn't saw any threats from modern Russia to these countries. I saw them being aggressive against Russia lately though and that was because they were part of the aggressive alliance. So, feeling insecure because you are next to a more powerful country is one thing, being aggressive is another. Also what was Sweden or Denmark afraid of? Anyway time will tell if they chose the right side
What offensive action (not words, not defensive) have been done by Finland, Estland or Poland?
Russia was proofen to be active in the German government digital infrstructure. Russia most probably violated polish airspace and evidence shows that Russia also destroyed the civil aircraft MH17 where 298 civilians died.
I've heard someone even claim that Putin is very humanitarian in his bombing.
It's quite simple - NATO did not threaten Russia with violence, let alone invade. The boots of Russian soldiers crossed the border. So it is very clear who is the attacker. Talking yourself out of this simple fact leads to cognitive dissonance.
They also keep telling me that Crimea held a referendum.
Yeah, _after_ the Russian military annexed the island, so that the Russians were the only poll observers. And the referendum had no option for simply remaining part of Ukraine. They left the choice of "do nothing, we like it this way" off of the ballot!
The Russians reported a record turnout of 83-89%, with a mind-boggling 97% choosing to join the Russian Federation. 🥴
In Putin's Russia, ballot mark *you*!
Before Crimea annexation percentage of russian friendly and western friendly were almost equal as it seemed by the elections. After that, the russian friendly side had minus two million russian friendly voters
For clarification:
There is no valid election with two choices, where the second choice is selected at a rate _nearthe margin of error_. That is statistical nonsense. Absolutely everyone voting would have had to have had the same opinion, because 3% would tend to mark the other box by accident, and that would cover all of the votes for that selection.
This is maths.
So why did Russia invade? What do you think?
Because Putin is a psycho and wants more power. He's mourning the loss of the glory of soviet empire and wants to be remembered as a great leader.
There's no sane way to justify lost of life on both sides, spending almost a third of state budget, 5% of GDP on war effort because Ukraine might join NATO which thus might threaten Russia with war.
So instead, let's go to war for sure, get under international sanctions, impoverish the citizens and risk their lives and well being. Oh, what a great leader.
My guess - small penis, daddy issues, possibly both.
