I agree there are bugs everywhere, but we can't say phpBB doesn't have bugs either. That thing is basically a living bug.

I disagree with hiding relays, relays are the most important thing in case of groups. If we hide that we're left with nothing. But I do think it wouldn't hurt to have some defaults hardcoded.

Incidentally I think the relays point wouldn't be that bad if we had the "single space" flow, but in a different client -- not Chachi or Flotilla -- that could operate on a single relay. Perhaps exposed as an HTML page in the relay URL itself, where people could go and create groups or just browse the group if it's in unmanaged mode.

After using groups in this single space flow for a while users could transit to the more featured clients.