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I'm sure we do disagree as to the facts if October 7. I reviewed hours of disgusting videos. I then listened to Hamas repr in Lebanon explain. His words were consistent with the videos. Israels were not. If you think the videos must then be biased, they were from Ben Shapiro.

unclebobmartin 2y ago

From: mikedilger at 11/03 10:29

> I'm sure we do disagree as to the facts if October 7. I reviewed hours of disgusting videos. I then listened to Hamas repr in Lebanon explain. His words were consistent with the videos. Israels were not. If you think the videos must then be biased, they were from Ben Shapiro.

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I'm having trouble parsing your statement. I agree that the disgusting videos were consistent with some of the statements from Hamas. One in particular said that there will be many more Oct 7ths to come. I believe that is his intent, and the intent of Hamas. I heard one Hamas spokesman try to state that civilians were not targetted. That's patently absurd since so many civilians were killed in abhorent ways. That particular spokesman then walked away from the interview refusing to answer why so many individuals were tortured and killed.

I've also listened to the Isrealis, and their accounts are also consitent with the videos and the testimony.

So, with the exception of the one Hamas guy who claimed that civilians were not the target, I find both Hamas and Isreal to be in agreement about Oct 7th.

I'm not sure what Ben Shapiro has to do with anything, or why you thought you should bring him into this argument. I'll agree with you that he is not neutral in this situation; but then who could be?

Are you suggesting that the videos that you and I both saw, and the testimony that you and I both heard, were somehow faked? Is it your contention that Israel took a small event, and enlarged it as an excuse to declare war on Hamas?

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Mike Dilger ☑️ 2y ago

Hama's claims they went after IDF soldiers in their beds before sunrise. That explains many dead bodies being almost all men. I saw very little evidence if dead children. Some burned out in a car are disputed whose weapon did that. Hama's rockets aren't that powerful. I heard an Israeli woman from the Nova nature rave say that many of the people were killed by IDF crossfire, super intense killing everyone to make sure they killed the terrorists. This is the Hannibal directive. Israel blames all death they dirextly caused via the Hannibal directive on Hamas. So they show bodies killed by IDF and sell it to their people as being killed by Hamas in some cases. Also non-Hamas extremists took advantage of the gaps in the wall and raped, tortured, etc, and Hanas says it was not them . I don't believe Hama's or Israel, but the Hamas story is plausible. Israels has sone gaps given so many dead men vs women and children, no beheaded babies, etc. I do not know what is actually true, I can only weigh the very incomplete evidence I have.

Ben Shapiro made a point to show what Hama's did in its full disgusting way to convince people Hamas is evil, and so I thought he would have incentive to show the most evil stuff.

Let me be very clear. I do not defend any killings. I think life is precious. I think Hamas is bad. So was hiroshima, carpet Bombing of Dresden, and bombing if Gaza.

I think kidnapping is morally preferable to murder and was a smart strategic move, but still immoral on the whole.