It’s hard to listen to people who are still in the early stages of basic debunking after all this time, or who still think the problem is limited, for example, to accidentally sterilizing kids who “aren’t really trans.” I need someone to meet me where I am, which is trying to trace the money and really delving into the steps we can take to get this out of schools, medicine, and law. Jennifer Bilek and Kara Dansky are good for these things.