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The Problem with Socialism and Communism

Just as there is no science behind homeopathy, there is no economic science behind communism and socialism.

The economic theory of communism and socialism is not based on any mathematical logic, nor on any logic of human behavior, communism and socialism are not much different from an ancient religion, they are just beliefs.

The problem comes when you put a homeopath as the director of a hospital, or a communist/socialist in charge of the economy of a country.

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Kano 2y ago

Both sides are whack.

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Papa Figos 2y ago

This is just failing to make a stand for what's correct.

Socialism/Communism don't work and have brought death and ruin to countless millions.

Left/Right can be an artificial divide sometimes, it doesn't mean some ideas aren't more murderous than others.

Kano 2y ago

It’s really not… it’s an attempt to make people aware of the dangers of being sucked into political ideology, realistically the majority of critics of socialism/communism are positioned on the right, albeit there’s definitely enough history books and deaths to understand the criticism, but there is a huge amount of epistemic naivety on right as if everything is sun shine and rainbows, it’s all a load of bullshit… hence me saying both sides are whack.

The main frustration is people putting faith on one side or the other, the reality is it breeds division and pain in the world, as stated in the post above people are confused.

Kano 2y ago

It’s a time for education, not blaming and choosing a side.

Papa Figos 2y ago

Sure, the dangers exist. As do the dangers of being naive to the sides as they exist today, their biases, and the impact the ideas the sides back will have on the life of those who just decide to ignore it all.

And I say that as someone who tries to ignore it all, because there's a lot of nutjobery going on, but quite honestly most of it right now is coming from the leftists.

It is not my impression that those on the right generally think it's all sunshine and rainbows - God, Country and Family are all under attack, Free Speech is under attack, the Governments nowdays don't tend to be fiscally responsible, there are epidemics of decadency, homelessness and drug abuse, and I won't even touch the looming threat of undemocratic world government through the backdoor via globalist transnational institutuions.

I could go on, but hopefully this is enough to illustrate the fact that "the right" doesn't generally think it's all sunshine and rainbows.

As for your final paragraph, yes, placing faith on someone else to solve your problem if only you give them power is generally a bad idea in my view, but most people are not like that, and as much as it pains me to say, this will likely never change.

I disagree that picking a side brings pain and division. It can, but it doesn't have to. It's only when Ego gets in the way (and to the untrained mind, which is mostly everyone, it often does).

Ideology is a tainted word, I don't like it much either. But you could argue that Bitcoin is an ideology, Stoicism is an ideology, Free Market Capitalism is an ideology, Free and Open Source Software is an ideology.. so it seems to me that just calling something an ideology does not suffice to dismiss the set of ideas under that umbrella.

Rather, blind faith in ideology, or following ideology because it's cool (or so they think), hip, fashionable... in short, for any reason other than considerate and extensive rational thought, seems to me to be closer to the true source of the issue at hand.

Thinking is hard, checking a bunch of ideological checkboxes is easier. I can see how this would muddle the waters. But it does not - in my opinion - have to be so.

Kano 2y ago

Papa Figos 2y ago

Maybe, or maybe it was human free thinking that created ideology to begin with, and the issue really isn't subscribing (in whole or in part) to one per se, but turning one into your identity.

But anyway, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, no problem.

Btw, I'm not the biggest fan of ideologies either. Most people seem to sign up in full for them, and I almost always find it suspicious if someone just goes with literally every point that they were supposed to agree with.

LiberLion 2y ago

Praxeology is study of the human action.

Economy is not an exact science.

Low Information Voter 2y ago

From the end of WW2 until about 1970, the Soviet Union averaged over 10% annual GDP growth, with a savings rate about 50%. By 1970, it had leapfrogged Britain, West Germany and Japan to be the world's second strongest economy.

With good culture and good leadership, Communism can be a brutal success, economically.

Unfortunately, the stuff governments want done is rarely good for human happiness or flourishing.

This is true of every Statist system, not just Communism.

(Communism's failure modes absolutely suck, as evinced by the Brezhnev and Gorbachev eras. But I'm not sure how much better surveillance-centric crony capitalism is with Brezhnev-style fearful ineptitude spreading at the top)