do you think the same about lineageos?
Why does GrapheneOS run only on Google Pixel phones? Super suss if you ask me.
Because Google was founded as a DARPA/CIA operation, and Google is all about spying, control and censorship (google jigsaw). I am HIGHLY suspicious that GrapheneOS would only support Google phones. This maybe made a bit of sense initially if the Google phones had certain new security hardware features that other phones didn't have, and fully documented specs, but at this point that excuse is getting ridiculous. I suspect there is some hardware "watcher" in those things, low enough that you'll never detect or disable it, and they see everything though it. Huawei phones probably have a similar "watcher" that reports back to China.
I think we need another fork of AOSP, geared to run on different hardware from a neutral country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_phone_brands_by_country
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I don't. But I don't know enough to say. GrapheneOS came out of CopperheadOS which was marketed towards people wanting security. Just like Signal is suss for that same kind of thing, and I think is a honey trap, I think GrapheneOS is also a honey trap... even if not in the code and totally open source, it pushes you to the google pixel hardware.
yea lowkey suss af
remember also that the number one phone maker on earth Huawei is completely banned in US over security reasons ...
I can buy one in NZ and it is supported by major providers, e.g.: https://www.spark.co.nz/help/mobile/device-help/
If it really was banned over security reasons, I think the US would have told NZ and NZ would have pulled it too. More likely it was banned as a trade war tactic. But I'm not certain enough to risk using a Huawei phone.
probably major countries like US and China try to develop their own chips with backdoors for their respective intelligence services ...
personally i would rather be spied on by China than by America since the Chinese can't put me into Guantanamo ...
Page is blank on my Pixel... 🤷😅
The page lists the vendors they sell phones for and support including Samsung, Apple, Huawei, Nokia, Spark, and Oppo
The US banned Huawei NZ and 43 other Huawei subsidiaries in various countries. Maybe Italy followed suit. Or maybe spark doesn't share this info internationally.
The NZ GCSB (five-eyes) banned Huawei 5G gear in 2018 due to security concerns. But not their phones. I remember a friend of mine pissed because it happened right after he bought a Huawei phone and he was worried it would affect him.
Here in Italy you can buy all that brands without problems, and Italy is quite "USA controlled" on certain matters. Weird world.
Btw, I agree that we need an AOSP security focused fork that runs on different hardwares, with an eye for open hardware projects.
Do you know how good Fairphone is on this respect?
No idea.
And when I mentioned the Lava company in India, I did so entirely based on my viewpoint about India's geopolitical positioning - I have 0 information about their phones or if they are any good.
I like that GrapheneOS is open source. I don't like that it funnels people to google hardware. I like that Calyx is open source. I don't like that they stopped supporting all the Chinese hardware. Both of these projects are security (graphene) or privacy (calyx) oriented, and the hardware support of both projects is suss to me (why did Calyx stop supporting all the Chinese brands? Are they anti-China? Why are they anti-China? I don't know).
LineageOS is open source and it supports phones across the spectrum. They aren't focused on privacy or security. But it is AOSP and I suspect a fork that does focus on BOTH security AND privacy AND neutral hardware would be the path I would be most interested in seeing.
Obviously this isn't my expertise and I won't be doing it.
But given I need a new phone (mine is falling out of support) the issue came up again for me.
I'm thinking about using linux on portable non-phone hardware for one-time passwords, camera, microphone, bitcoin, wallets, etc. And use my phone for more prosaic things that I don't care about.
Got it, thanks
and Pixel is basically the only major android phone designed in US ...
Lineage (cyanogenmod) supports a lot more vendors. So probably ok.
including Fairfone (Netherlands) Nokia (Finland) and SWIFT (Germany)