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DZC

Some users will indeed explore and learn.

But we can't expect all of them to learn what "depth 2 of 3" means.

We must do better in order to allow the maximum number of users to become self-sovereign.

daniele 2y ago

When you meet and have to know the "depth 2 of 3" concept in SBW/OBW?

Clients will improve in parallel with the adoption, it is a natural law about tools and tech.

But to use hard money people need to take some responsabilities and learn a little, the minimum is how to keep 12 words safe. LN has more complexity, need more UI/UX work and maybe technical solutions for a smooth non custodial use. But today I don't see other exceptional examples around that can be preferable (waiting for Zeus full node! Blixt is great but a bit technical and UX can be improved). Let's see the new Phoenix with this splitting (now the fee are absurd, imho).

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The Daniel 🖖 2y ago

User experience is very important and should be considered from the inception of a product. Saying that you are building a product for power-users but calling it “Simple BTC Wallet” is a bad start. There is nothing simple about this interface. Even if it had a few great features, they were lost in the clunky interface. Lightning adoption wasn’t the issue here.

daniele 2y ago

Maybe are you replying to the wrong person/note?

Btw, I don't think SBW ever presented itself as "power user wallet".

I agree this is not the best interface for many details and of course was not curated by a designer (OBW is much better in this respect, at least on the colors palette), but call it "shitty" without even try it is a bit hasty, isn't? :) Download OBW, open an hosted channel for few sats and play with it. Maybe you can change your mind.

Which do you think is a great self-custody LN client? And why?

The Daniel 🖖 2y ago

So far I’ve tried Breez, Muun, Phoenix, Blixt, and Mutiny. I’m a pretty big fan of Phoenix and Mutiny has a lot to offer, and I’m sure it will get better. I’m really pumped for what nostr:npub1xnf02f60r9v0e5kty33a404dm79zr7z2eepyrk5gsq3m7pwvsz2sazlpr5 just announced.

DZC 2y ago

Phoenix is doing a great effort in building a simple UX, indeed.

The Daniel 🖖 2y ago

All Lightning wallets that open channels to users should have a better onboarding flow to explain liquidity and channel open fees.

daniele 2y ago

100%

The new Phoenix has done an excellent job on this, seeing the screenshots (I haven't tried the beta).

One of the suggestions I made to OBW some time ago is precisely to offer a wizard at startup for channel management. Hosted channels are so interesting that they deserve more visibility (and a adequate explanation regarding the custodial part).