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"In all cases, it seems to go hand in hand with outright antisemitism."

Yes, every single case of questioning the facts surrounding this is always just outright antisemitism. 🤣

You're hearing the argument from me, and I am very careful not to allow people to drive 'hate' into me for their own purposes.

Criticize Israel today (even if you're Jewish living in Israel) and you get called an antisemite. It's retarded. The funny thing is that many people no longer give a damn about being called antisemitic, and that sentiment grows by the day. Admittedly some people do have disdain for all Jewish people, but again, I think they are directing their misunderstanding of the nuance towards hating an entire nation of people. That's not me.

Also, denial? I'm not sure anyone denies the fact that Jews were killed. It is the figures and claimed events that people take issue with.

"It's not that hard to believe it all happened"

Indeed, that's why most people have never questioned it. It is exceedingly easy to take it all at face value, especially when we are all told about it from a young age, and it is hammered into us for our entire lives.

What I find most fascinating is that of the few revisionists I have listened to, they are all very calm and eloquent in their speech. They obviously do not hate Jewish people. Perhaps there are some that do, I haven't encountered them. But, thanks to all the propaganda and programming, people won't even listen to what they have to say. At first, I felt guilty for even exploring the topic. That's how heavily we have been programmed.

It's hard to be objective about anything when you've only ever heard one side of the story, and talking about it will destroy your career and in many countries land you in prison.

The Israeli state is a fascist ethnostate. Intelligent, rational people don’t equate disdain for Israel as antisemitism. Most people aren’t really that intelligent or rational though.

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Most states are terrible to their people, at varying scales. Israel is definitely up there though.

I would argue that the rational people shouldn't characterise criticism of certain facts surrounding the holocaust as outright antisemitism. It is similarly disingenuous to call it denial, because that is a propagandised term (~ 'safe and effective' or 'danger to democracy' or 'conspiracy theorist') because it presupposes that so called revisionists deny that any Jews were killed at that time, which is obviously ridiculous.

The issue I see coming down the road is that, because of how emotional the topic makes people, there isn't much room for a nuanced discussion, usually is just ad homs, there is going to be more radicalisation.

The State of Israel is a personification of Talmudic culture and religion (even among secular Jews who are highly influenced by the culture).

That culture and religion is what is evil - not Jewish blood, not Jewish soil. The evil comes from Jewish norms, Jewish language, and Jewish ideas.