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Would you consider yourself a deist then? There is a creator but he hasn’t revealed himself?

Well, kinda. I don't like thinking of the "creator" as some kind of a super man. For me it's something beyond our capabilities to understand. It's not a person, and technically it doesn't even exist because the concept of existence is undefined when applied outside of our reality.

That said, in some cases it's useful to think that it can hear you and that it has some power over you, especially when you're going through bad times. But being objective I think it's a psychological trick and nothing else.

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Mr. Fred Rogers 2y ago

Interesting. I’m trying to picture what you’re seeing here. I would agree that the creator is beyond our ability to understand. But I don’t see why the creator couldn’t reveal himself in a limited way that our little brains could understand.

Why do you think that God would have to exist outside of our reality and not within it? If this creator made our reality, it seems to be quite possible that he is, in a sense, here and could reveal himself to be here.

The Kalam Cosomological argument (and others) postulate that the best explanation for the existence of everything (space, time and matter) is a creator outside of space, time and matter choosing to create. If correct, that would imply some sort of personal being.

myself 2y ago

> Why do you think that God would have to exist outside of our reality and not within it?

It becomes a matter of how you define Creator, reality, etc. In my case the Creator would be the entity that created our reality, so by definition it can't exist in it.

But to be honest I don't spend much time thinking about what could lie outside of our reality because that would be just fantasy. I don't even know if Creator is a good term. Those terms such as create, entity, intelligence, matter, time, energy, etc. are only meaningful in our reality. Maybe there is nothing like that outside.

Mr. Fred Rogers 2y ago

A creator of a house can reside within and outside the house. That’s at least my simplified analogy.

I guess this is where theism and your view would come to a fork in the road. If we can deduce from logic that we are created (not infinite nor came from nothing which are both illogical concepts) we can look to nature and history and ask if that creator has further revealed himself.

Two lines of evidence that suggest to me that there is clearly supernatural intrusion into our world that I’m curious if you’re aware of: modern day miracles (see Miracles Today by Craig Keener) and NDE’s (see Deathbed Experiences by J. Steve Miller).