#[0] wen list of paid relays 💜?

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Is there a spec yet!? I want to make it easier to show paid relays in damus

what’s the benefit of a user paying for a relay?

Still learning…

Spam/bot filters for one

#[6] working on the relay story. Expect it soon 🤙

The idea is that there would be less spam

Less spam (in global), better performance , and (possibly) longevity. It could make the relay sustainable to run for the operator.

Are these relays really sustainable with a one time payment, small fees model? Or is everyone just getting a discount really right now? Can this fee model scale? I am just curious since you are running a service and would love to learn how the actual numbers look!

I started yesterday with the paid relay so we will see. I’ve run a smaller public one for a while and it is already getting slow and I don’t want to upgrade it.

I think (if we succeed) everyone is getting a massive earlier adopter discount right now. Just thinking about it logically $1-3 per user lifetime is too low if they maintain a reasonable amount of activity.

Either the one time fee would have to go up drastically (10x?) or maybe annual/monthly subscription. Some friction with that and the push only nature of lightning though, less payments might be better.

Different relays will come up with different strategies as they grow. I do think the early paid relays today (even tiny fees) will feel compelled to stick around for their users.

To answer your main data question: I just don’t know yet. I’ve been paying a lot of user admission invoices for them to promote it and spread the word. I’ll need a couple months at least to have any idea of how it does without that effort.

It continually surprises me the level of elation I feel when seeing the stuff you guys post. It’s a seriously special place 🤙

Soon ™️

As an NIP?

From a UX standpoint what happens if I connect to a paid relay and it refuses my post. I could see this happening if a client adopts recommended relays and tries to write to it. Should be away to direct them to the payment page

Good question

do they all have the same business model right now?