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Unpopular opinion: bard and chatgpt are more useful than many medicine doctors for 99% use cases.

Doctors often figure out you're not dying, prescribe light pain killers and send you home.

Just last week experience: a doctor prescribed two medicines that should not be taken together.

Another doctor after hearing that the patient is allergic to ibuprofen prescribed ibuprofen two minutes later. It was literally two lines following each other in the report. Allergies: ibuprofen, recommendation: ibuprofen.

That's llama-7B level. Maybe even llama-7B wouldn't do it.

So self diagnosis and treatment again.

And then you come to the doctors office, tell that you googled or consulted with AI and they roll their eyes. That is quite fun, because the research is 9 times out of 10 better than what the doctor tells you.

No, I'm not saying that the AI is perfect. I'm saying that medical doctors, especially in ambulances are that bad. BTW the experience spanned two countries, definitely not a local problem.

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Josh 2y ago

If the treatment option is pain killers, than you don't need an AI, you need a parent. I once had this tech hubris on medicine too and about 10 years ago, before AI was cool, I did some grad research on predicting breast cancer survivability thinking that I would get some award for solving cancer. For various reasons that are obvious to an oncologist but not to a lunarpunk, it failed miserably. I have not tried to re run my hypothesis, it would be interesting.

But it sounds like you are hedging your bets Juraj. If you are so confident in your AI diagnosis why even waste your time with the human confirmation?! If you wanted to do this scientifically, pay some task rabbits to go various hospitals in various countries and report the same symptoms and gather the results :p

Juraj 2y ago

The treatment option is not painkillers, it’s a “I don’t know what to do with you please go away” option.

The doctors were first, they did not solve the problem, so going online is a better option. I have several examples of this over the past few years.

Josh 2y ago

Ah OK, yeah that's sad. There is a lot of potential for AI to replace the "let's go away" approach I'll agree.

Bearetta 🐻‍❄️🇨🇿 2y ago

As a someone who rode with ambulance twice in last four days, yup. But let's be fair, med care is different by location. I gave two births in Germany and didn't hear from any of my czech friends about care I got there. In national hospital, nothing fancy.

Juraj 2y ago

Birth was great in Slovakia (private hospital), there’s money to be made there.

This experience is from two countries.

I spoke to a friend who is a doctor. It was a very chilling conversation. Things like: “We prescribe this, because it is in the manual and we don’t want to be liable for doing something else. But we know from randomized control trials for a decade now that this treatment usually does not work”. And “in most cases, we are just trying things out, we have no idea what will work”.

Bearetta 🐻‍❄️🇨🇿 2y ago

I'm strongly standing on the opposite side, of defenseless and mostly healthy people on the friggin table.