Forum logs for 01 Dec 2012
rdponticelli
I want the signed recipt of my F.GIGA.ETF holdings, locked
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rdponticelli
I don't share my key ;)
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mircea_popescu
rdponticelli deposit and whine at me.
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rdponticelli
But I would like to know if it would be a problem later to reactivate my account... things are pretty quiet then on the satoshidice Guest99975 is now known as tsukino. Opps!
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051858 = 1.2161 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0005186 = 9.9053 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8009 @ 0.00052509 = 4.2054 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.51669697 = 516.697 BTC [-]
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asa1024
lol EB
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assbot
[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.59668103 = 596.681 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052304 = 1.2265 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13059 @ 0.00052275 = 6.8266 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4704 @ 0.00052275 = 2.459 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4452 @ 0.00051641 = 2.2991 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052498 = 1.2311 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183 @ 0.00052509 = 0.0961 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3220 @ 0.00052533 = 1.6916 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00051972 = 2.4947 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00051495 = 1.2076 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8823 @ 0.00051491 = 4.5431 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5182 @ 0.00051406 = 2.6639 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052531 = 1.2319 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22530 @ 0.00052533 = 11.8357 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1875 @ 0.0005254 = 0.9851 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1839 @ 0.00330905 = 6.0853 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.DICE] 911 @ 0.00334688 = 3.049 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.0005254 = 9.4572 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.00052021 = 1.2199 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2345 @ 0.0005202 = 1.2199 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3219 @ 0.00052001 = 1.6739 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33374 @ 0.00051997 = 17.3535 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052 = 2.2469 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1126 @ 0.00051997 = 0.5855 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7551 @ 0.00051406 = 3.8817 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15199 @ 0.00051286 = 7.795 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00051962 = 2.2453 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4479 @ 0.00051976 = 2.328 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00051293 = 2.2164 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1079 @ 0.00051286 = 0.5534 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00051962 = 2.2453 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12024 @ 0.00051976 = 6.2496 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 705 @ 0.0005254 = 0.3704 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00051306 = 2.2169 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 792 @ 0.00051286 = 0.4062 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16083 @ 0.00051146 = 8.2258 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8604 @ 0.00051101 = 4.3967 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8996 @ 0.00051101 = 4.597 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12104 @ 0.00051048 = 6.1788 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00051048 = 7.7848 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052534 = 2.27 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6270 @ 0.0005254 = 3.2943 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9961 @ 0.00052543 = 5.2338 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052522 = 2.2695 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 689 @ 0.00052543 = 0.362 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00052544 = 6.9095 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13353 @ 0.00052601 = 7.0238 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 437 @ 0.00052627 = 0.23 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00051051 = 2.2059 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17039 @ 0.00051048 = 8.6981 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00051058 = 2.2062 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22957 @ 0.00051048 = 11.7191 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3728 @ 0.00050992 = 1.901 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00050995 = 2.2035 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18181 @ 0.00050992 = 9.2709 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6898 @ 0.00050989 = 3.5172 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00052607 = 0.6839 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3752 @ 0.00050989 = 1.9131 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22582 @ 0.00050985 = 11.5134 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00051777 = 5.0741 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00051404 = 6.0657 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10325 @ 0.00050985 = 5.2642 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.0005098 = 18.3273 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17025 @ 0.00050978 = 8.679 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00051278 = 7.6917 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00051698 = 2.2339 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4329 @ 0.00051727 = 2.2393 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2350 @ 0.00334688 = 7.8652 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00051634 = 2.2311 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00051605 = 8.6438 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2225 @ 0.00050978 = 1.1343 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00050975 = 5.5053 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5985 @ 0.00050973 = 3.0507 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00050956 = 7.1338 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00050952 = 10.3433 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15590 @ 0.00050935 = 7.9408 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4129 @ 0.00051435 = 2.1238 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1721 @ 0.00051695 = 0.8897 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11871 @ 0.00051727 = 6.1405 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052609 = 2.2732 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9979 @ 0.00052627 = 5.2516 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052406 = 2.2645 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20927 @ 0.00052404 = 10.9666 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052606 = 2.2731 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12593 @ 0.00052627 = 6.6273 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu
kakobrekla : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/dragons-tale-a-bitcoin-linux-mmorpg/
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mircea_popescu
i made 150 btc today with that, suffer.
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mircea_popescu
cry.
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Diablo-D3
did someone say bitcoin linux mmorpg?
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Diablo-D3
mircea_popescu: I should make some sort of bitcoin powered game
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mircea_popescu
i did yeah
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mircea_popescu
and that may be a good idea Diablo-D3.
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Diablo-D3
be like
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Diablo-D3
GIANT FUCKING SPACE SHIPS
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Diablo-D3
IN SPACE
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Diablo-D3
and only a tiny subset of them penis shaped.
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Diablo-D3
>galonsized herbivore variant
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Diablo-D3
but I love giant tits :<
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Diablo-D3
mircea_popescu: so what Ill have to do is
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Diablo-D3
finish seaking
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Diablo-D3
that language of mine that focuses on large scale data processing
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mircea_popescu
or that.
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Diablo-D3
well, for example
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Diablo-D3
look at minecraft
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Diablo-D3
its in java
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Diablo-D3
it was written by someone who didnt know how to wring every last bit of performance from java
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052616 = 2.2735 BTC [-]
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13883 @ 0.00052627 = 7.3062 BTC [+]
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3396 @ 0.00052643 = 1.7878 BTC [+]
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Diablo-D3
arguably, even if it was written by me, it may still be a fucking pig
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Diablo-D3
because you just cant win there
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Diablo-D3
now, lets say he wrote it with seaking
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Diablo-D3
or really, lets say I wrote it with seaking because notch is a fucktard when it comes to coding
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Diablo-D3
it would scale across as many machines as you could feed it
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.DICE] 439 @ 0.00334688 = 1.4693 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.DICE] 461 @ 0.00337971 = 1.558 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu
so go ahead.
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mircea_popescu
btc games is certainly a good line to be in.
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052405 = 2.2644 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 507 @ 0.00052404 = 0.2657 BTC [-]
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Diablo-D3
seriously like
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Diablo-D3
you know those extra sexy top500 things they keep doing like porno photo spreads of?
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052435 = 2.2657 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39316 @ 0.00052404 = 20.6032 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2129 @ 0.00051975 = 1.1065 BTC [-]
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Diablo-D3
seaking would eat those for breakfast and have room for more
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1439 @ 0.00337971 = 4.8634 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.DICE] 949 @ 0.00339999 = 3.2266 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.51669697 = 516.697 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.59668103 = 596.681 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12065 @ 0.00051822 = 6.2523 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 619 @ 0.00051822 = 0.3208 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2100 @ 0.00339999 = 7.14 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.59668103 = 596.681 BTC [-]
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[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.51669697 = 516.697 BTC [-]
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jurov
Diablo-D3, there's some theory around that full bitcoin client itself will need to be parallelized to be able to keep with tx volume
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Diablo-D3
jurov: probably not
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Diablo-D3
not the way that I was discussing above
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Diablo-D3
you could pretty much do what I already do with diablominer
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Diablo-D3
infact, gpus would be massive overkill
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pigeons
diablominer is the new python
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Diablo-D3
lets say you had the tx volume of the entire planet
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Diablo-D3
thats what we do in a year in an hour.
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Diablo-D3
or hell, in a minute
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Diablo-D3
several billion tx a day
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Diablo-D3
a 7970 would be overkill for the math part.
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Diablo-D3
you could process and verify the entire day's chain in a few minutes if you parallelized it as much as possible on a 7970
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jurov
yes? then someone should do that... the initial blockchain sync is painful and it's supposedly cpu bound
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Diablo-D3
jurov: no
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Diablo-D3
its IO bound
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Diablo-D3
because bdb is fucking retarded and not meant to handle 2gb of data
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Diablo-D3
thats already been fixed, it just hasnt shipped yet
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Diablo-D3
0.8 will ship with leveldb (google's kv store thats basically as fast as kyoto cabinet)
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Diablo-D3
(seriously, kv stores just arent getting any faster)
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Diablo-D3
if you have unlimited network and disk IO
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Diablo-D3
0.8 will sync the chain in like 3 hours
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jurov
oh okay, i mixed it up...
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Diablo-D3
I think sipa or gmaxwell said they can load an already existing dbd chain into leveldb in 15 minutes
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Diablo-D3
jurov: now
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Diablo-D3
once we have that fixed
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Diablo-D3
where disk io is no longer a problem because bdb is fucktarded
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Diablo-D3
cpu is next
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Diablo-D3
but, as I said, we simply dont generate enough tx to matter
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Diablo-D3
unless you have bitcoind on a rpi or something stupid like that, its not an issue
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052631 = 2.2742 BTC [+]
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27304 @ 0.00052643 = 14.3736 BTC [+]
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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 775 @ 0.00052652 = 0.4081 BTC [+]
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Diablo-D3
now, if you do, you're still somewhat fucked
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Diablo-D3
theres no opencl for the gpu that rpis have
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jurov
i'm actually thinking to procure some lean server for that purpose, already ruled rpi out cause of tight memory
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Diablo-D3
yeah, like
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kakobrekla
man, an engineer would do a better pr job than josh does
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Diablo-D3
I wouldnt use rpi now because I use p2pool
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Diablo-D3
and that just isnt happening
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jurov
next on list is via nano, with their sha256 instruction support
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Diablo-D3
jurov: nope
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Diablo-D3
isnt worth it
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jurov
but maybe ecdsa is bigger problem...
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Diablo-D3
vias do about 1mhash/sec
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Diablo-D3
doing it on the x86 core itself you get more than that.
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jurov
you say atom then?
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Diablo-D3
neither
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Diablo-D3
I'd go with an amd fusion
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Diablo-D3
the newest ones with the GCN GPU
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jurov
i'm a bit confused bitcoind has opencl support... or the fusion has such a good x86 computation power?
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Diablo-D3
bitcoind in the future will have opencl support
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Diablo-D3
fusions are good cheap cpus.
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Diablo-D3
bitcoind rapes memory bandwidth
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Diablo-D3
atoms and nanos dont have it
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Diablo-D3
previous gen fusions use dual channel ddr3-1333, new ones I think are 1600 or 1866
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Diablo-D3
and its not like they use a lot of power
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Diablo-D3
they dont
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Diablo-D3
and with two ddr3 slots, you can throw 8gb of memory in
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052341 = 2.2617 BTC [-]
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10039 @ 0.00052323 = 5.2527 BTC [-]
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jurov
good to know
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Diablo-D3
that means caching the entire chain and having another 6gb free.
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Diablo-D3
actually sorry
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Diablo-D3
you can throw 16gb in
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Diablo-D3
it just gets expensive putting that much in
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Diablo-D3
although the next box Im building Im putting 32 in, so heh
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Diablo-D3
jurov: basically, bitcoind will have what it needs by the time we need it
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Diablo-D3
so if it comes to the point we need to parallel verify incoming tx on gpus, we will
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Diablo-D3
that'll be the day where every tx in the world is done using bitcoin.
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052644 = 2.2747 BTC [+]
[23:51]
assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11479 @ 0.00052652 = 6.0439 BTC [+]
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jurov
okay. just that i was talking with someone who did a thesis on that
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jurov
and he was convinced that network speed will be the first bottleneck
[23:53]
jurov
have to wait till he finishes it to see the exact reasoning
[23:54]
jurov
so from there i derived maybe it will be necessary to loadbalance the processing, like high intensity HTTP is done now
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052649 = 2.275 BTC [-]
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12421 @ 0.00052652 = 6.5399 BTC [+]
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assbot
[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14208 @ 0.00052732 = 7.4922 BTC [+]
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assbot
[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P190T] 1000 @ 0.51669697 = 516.697 BTC [-]
[23:56]
assbot
[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 1000 @ 0.59668103 = 596.681 BTC [-]
[23:56]
jurov
^^^ should have bought some bonds.. but dunno what happens to btcusd now
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mircea_popescu
grace period is 48 hours, you still got a little time.
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