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Is it easy to get "normies" on to it?

Not hard at all.

No it isn’t to get them on simplex. That’s the tradeoff. Signal is very easy to onboard normies to. And it’s pretty good and secure. The CEO is based. The only problem is you need a phone number to make an account. But after you make the account, you can hide your phone number in the settings and connect using usernames only. Simplex is a little buggy and it’s newer so hasn’t been tested completely. For normies, I’d still say signal is the best choice and is a huge improvement over iMessage, WhatsApp, or messenger.

That makes sense. I have been using signal and it has been pretty easy to get others on there. People seem to be aware that WhatsApp and the like are spying on them. This question came up because the men's group I started is using signal currently and I am wondering if it is a good long term solution.

I think signal is great. There are interviews of government puppets pressuring the CEO to give backdoor access to signal user data and she pushes back consistently. She’s handling the pressure well and I believe she has stated she’d remove her app from certain countries before compromising user accounts.

using tiny Lokinet and non verifiable chat signature? worse alternative

I don't know what that stuff is. Are you saying simplex is a worse alternative to signal?

I d recommend Signal to newbies and people who switch from Whatsapp.

SimpleX imho is still too small and has no real security/privacy improvement

Thanks for the input. I am not super technical and I want to use decent tools.

The thing is that there is no perfect solution, there is no absolute privacy, there is no absolute security.

Privacy and security sometimes even exclude each other.

It all depends on your grade of paranoia. Ending up like #Snowden, solding your GSM/Wifi chip off your devices makes sense but on the other hand it makes your daily driver devices practically unusable.

Absolute privacy > pseudo-priavcy