Wait can you store keys on TPM or something?

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You could, but TPMs don’t support the algorithms that is needed.

There are some projects to make it run with a TEE (Validating Lightning Signer) but I want to fully store the key inside a custom secure element.

Let me guess you want to run your CLN on an untrusted cloud provider?

no, just because I can

This whole HSM thing reads like what Hashicorp Vault does but with hardware instead of shamir secrets.

It is, but it being actual SE hardware is the hard part

I want one now. Or I wanted one before I checked the price on the yubikey offer. This tiny thing costs more than 1000 euros lmao.

That is actually just a $2 SE, some software and a USB interface.

And it doesn’t support the required crypto needed for this. There’s a reason I said *programmable* secure element.

Definitely not $2 unless you are talking about the quality of the materials because it looks cheap.

I mean the SE chip inside is at most $2. Probably less because Yubico buys more than I do 😅