If you was training for size/aesthetics/genetic potential and you wasn't meeting your goals, providing you was putting in the work, and I've no reason to believe you wasn't. Almost certainly the reason why you didn't get there was because you wasn't eating enough. I can't stress that enough. You have to eat an absolutely insane amount of food to gain a significant amount of mass. My walking around weight is roughly 67kg, years ago, when I was really into it, I got up to 82kg, that took me about 3 years. The reason I stopped going the gym wasn't because I wasn't enjoying it, it was the staggering amount of food involved, it seemed like I was eating all day, every day. I've recently started going again, about 8 weeks ago and I'm enjoying it but I'm already fed up with the amount of food I'm having to eat😂.

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If your main goal is acquiring mass, why not use protein powder? I prefer to stay away from it but if you want mass, it’s super cost efficient

It doesn't have the calories, someone of my size needs between 80-120g of protein to build muscle. I can get that with 2 pints of full fat milk and a 500g pot of Greek yoghurt, that along isn't enough to build size, your body needs lots of fats and carbs too, just to function day to day. That's even true of me, who spends the vast majority of the time lying on my couch😂.

It’s roughly 140 calories for 35g of protein. People I know usually take 2 portions, on top of your calorie intake through food

There isn’t really anything unique in protein powder that you can’t get from a good steak. It’s whey protein so derived from milk. The biggest benefit is just convenience.

I don’t use it anymore. But he says he’s struggling to eat as much as he needs. That’s why I suggested weigh isolate

These views are outdated. I ate a fuck ton and just got fat. I used to take mass gainers and everything. I saw significant results when I trained more intensely and reduced the frequency.

Hmmmmm, interesting🧐.

People are more likely to overtrain or undertrain than to under eat. Muscles grow outside of the gym especially when you’re sleeping. So if you don’t allow them sufficient rest time to grow, then you start to get weaker. Also remember that your muscles can still grow even in a slight calorie deficit. Not ideal but it’s possible. So it wouldn’t make sense for overeating to be the key. The reason it’s a common belief is because people are looking at bodybuilders on steroids and how they train. That doesn’t apply to natural lifters.

Everybody is different I guess. I just know that I need to eat a shit load of food in order to put on weight. I'm an ectomorph.

Growing muscle and gaining weight are not always the same thing. You don’t have to gain weight to grow muscle.

Fat mass to lean mass. But there needs to be fat mass to transform

Yeah this is something that people don’t think about. If your body needs to repair muscles, it will convert fat cells to muscle cells. No need to overeat.