Adam Bach rejects the update. If it were a Meritocracy, you'd be deferring to him, right? Or has he got it wrong and isn't worthy or meritorious enough?

IMO the op_return change should be parked for 6 months to discuss/debate. Why are contentious changes being rushed in?

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adam back is not a core contributor

If core think (like you) that they are the arbiters of code, and they don't need the community for direction, then core will splinter; if it hasn't already. Its basic game theory of protocols.

Core dev has never been driven by community, its been driven by contributions commenting on PRs

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If you want one platform then we all have a say (consensus is with the node runners); if core dev are autocrats the you have many forks.

There's no have your cake and eat it too on this.

And when people came to contribute by commenting on this BIP and PR who are not recognized members of core, they were censored and shut down. How can they contribute? If you keep them at arm's length, you don't really deserve to point at them at the same time and say that they don't have a voice because they don't use it.

This is about the point where the next commonly used oversimplified argument from the core side comes in that the plebs are too stupid to understand why this is a good idea.

Then there's, they're not real people, they're bots.

I'm not even arguing with your position if you notice. I'm basically pointing out why the point at which this argument is being made is doing more damage than good.

I currently run knots on a node in Texas and core on a node in Finland.

No? Even though his concepts are a foundational part of bitcoin without which Bitcoin could not exist at all? Also mentioned in the whitepaper?

I know you feel attacked but the appeal to authority argument is jetfuel on this fire.

no adam does not contribute to core, at least i have never come across any of his code during all the many years reviewing core code

I understand the point you're trying to make. I think you're missing my point though. Proof of work. He is a cryptographer, a true cypherpunk OG, but his opinions dont have weight because he doesn't work on core? Satoshi credited him in the white paper after all.

If we're going to use appeal to authority as an argument, then he's in pretty good shape, in my opinion.

Also, I think nostr:nprofile1qqsqyredyxhqn0e4ln0mvh0v79rchpr0taeg4vcvt64te4kssx5pc0sprpmhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0uf7t3z's recent input on this discussion has shown an enormous amount of nuance which seems to be missing from the two sides doing most of the yelling.

Either side could pick things he said out of context and claim that he's on their side. In fact, they're doing that.

But my greater point is using an appeal to authority argument is flawed in the beginning. It's a bad argument, first of all, but it also alienates everyone who feels like they don't have a voice.

And it continues to propagate the point that this off-used meme is making.