I greatly appreciate the work that nostr:npub1mutnyacc9uc4t5mmxvpprwsauj5p2qxq95v4a9j0jxl8wnkfvuyque23vg and nostr:npub1xnf02f60r9v0e5kty33a404dm79zr7z2eepyrk5gsq3m7pwvsz2sazlpr5 are doing to make self sovereign Lightning easier for the masses.

Building a traditional node and running a traditional node that doesn't run on your phone isn't overly complicated, but it's definitely not easy when problems arise. Troubleshooting is extremely technical and hard for most people.

I've helped a dozen or more people over the past year by connecting to their node or doing remote support and fixing a problem for them. I don't mind providing this assistance, but it's a screaming reminder that Lightning still has a long way to go where it's "plug and play" easy.

We haven't entered the "no-brainer" territory yet, but we're getting there, thanks to these two teams working hard for all us us.

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Zeus and Mutiny are brilliant!

What do you think about other mobile solutions like Phoenix? Do you think that such a product could be one way to solve the adoption problem? Thanks

Phoenix is great too, but they are essentially ignoring Nostr, so I wouldn't recommend them unless I had to for a specific reason.

Phoenix is good for bitcoin power users. Mutiny will allow us to make bitcoin payments to your grandma.

Fair enough, you're right

My favorite thing about mutiny is that fedimint integration allows you to receive sats without having to pay lsp channel setup fees

Yes! That's custodial though

Yeah only until I swap it out later tho. I don't mind having a little bit of money custodied.

That's fair, yep. First zap the newcomers, then when they get excited is the best time to explain to them how to actually secure funds. That's a very good strategy though

Appreciate all of your dedication!

never underestimate the ingenuity of fools

I've struggled setting up initial deposit on Zeus. All wallets I try using with Zeus invoice keep failing.

Phoenixd is showing a lot of promise though it isn't a mobile node. Phoenix wallet is very reliable but at times more expensive to send than onchain which is weird.

Mutiny is really interesting. With the fedimint support, it just improves reliability of payments.

Zeus needs to be open to receive payments. Switch back to Zeus after hitting pay in your other wallet

It was opened. Currently reinstalling the app to try again

Reinstalling seemed to fix the issue. Probably got stuck with an older version.