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How do you prevent it from centralizing around a few rich, powerful capitalists and they're armies? Some kind of state will emerge, and it will not be democratic.

Also, no taxes means no welfare means you are sentencing millions or billions of people to death -- I've never heard a libertarian sufficiently explain what they plan to do with poor people.

Anti Spasti 2mo ago

Rich people armies… Do you have some good current examples? I only experienced it one time by myself (Thailand - Thaksin) and it was kind of cool. It was a balancing act. He brought ‚power to the people‘ or at least has been perceived that way at that time by 50% of the people.

The poor people in this kind of society are not THAT poor. That is the point. They can survive much better than in any other form of society. Prosperity and wealth distribution is a natural process. That process always starts with one human being greedy and more clever.ä than the competition.

Btw: No taxes means no welfare is obviously wrong too. The donations of the super rich by far succeed all the welfare-tax-spendings.

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Jean-David Bar 2mo ago 💬 2

Maybe it is not obvious, but many military interventions in history were lead by private capitalist companies pr rich men armiea. From civil wars in the Roman empire to colonisation of Central America, India, etc. and more recently western interventions on Africa serving private interest (intricated with geopolitical ones).

Depending on the donations of the super rich is like depending on the will of kings... You do not agree? You loose it. This has also always happened in non capitalist contexts, but they are/were not anarchist.

Anti Spasti 2mo ago

I think the main and important difference between kings and super rich is the amount of force needed and used. A super rich can fuck himself if I decide to take that stance. A king would take my head and throw it to the crocodiles for that thought.

Jean-David Bar 2mo ago 💬 2

What would prevent a super rich to do the same? Rich mafiosi do that. Rich companies have killed people opposing them and still do, violently or quietly...

Anti Spasti 2mo ago

Yes.

For me: Part of the free market.

There is always someone stronger and more powerfull arising.

Jean-David Bar 2mo ago 💬 1

Free market alone does not prevent violence without something ensuring balance of power.

Otherwise, any way is good to arise, and if it is violence, violence it will be. I am sure we can have a free market of violence in an anarcho-capitalist world, but is it what we want?

In a way we already live in this world, anarchy among countries with the ones with more capital dominating the others, and being replaced as new empires arise...

Anti Spasti 2mo ago

Anarchy among countries. Yes. True. I see that too. And is it that wrong? Maybe yes. Maybe no. I think it is as close to ‚human nature‘ as it can get.

Even this specific things looking cruel and unfair to us are in the end just normal and usual.