No, diamonds are a captured market.

Also the original idea behind diamonds came from giving something of value to your spouse in case you cannot provide for them.

The use of diamonds in place of a dowery was objectively a marketing scheme by debears.

They partnered with hollywood and media outlets post ww2 during an economic boom in america.

"Diamonds are a girls best friend" and "diamonds are forever" were massively successful marketing campaigns preying on hearts and minds of women and men, from many angles and perspectives.

The diamond market is essentially a monopoly (though artificial diamonds could change that) and mining diamonds has often been inhumane imposed and motivated by a marketing scheme (as referenced above) for imagined value, to show your wealth or what someone was willing to buy for you and for glamour, you know, fiat bullshit.

A thought enters my mind "yes i want people to see my love for her" or "ma woman wants a diamond to show of "how much he loves me" but upon further thought, is that it really? Flaunting your riches could be accomplished in other ways if thats your thing.

If i get married, i will buy my wife jewelry or a diamond ring (ethically sourced). But i hope she'll value bitcoin and want it more. And i think then jewelry will be even more symbolic in value and less monetarily valuable

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Marketing is not a bad thing .. in fact #bitcoin is among the biggest brands now ..

as far as value is concerned , it is for the investor to measure .. I sure prefer #bitcoin but if my wife likes diamonds more - that is as valid an opinion as mine .. and kudos to diamond guys for running such a wonderful campaign ...

That said .. my point was on comparisons that Saif drew .. his PoV that scarcity is somehow the most important thing is not a valid argument .. because he himself conjectured that water is lot more important than most scarce things ..

#Bitcoin is not a captured market and diamonds are a scam.

Yes you or your wife can desire whatever you want including diamonds, like many others you can pay a lot for diamonds and think whatever you want about marketing campaigns. Lots of people spend lots of money on things other people don't value. Yes value is subjective.

Everyone is free to think what they want but not everyone is free from the consequences of those thoughts and decisions.

In a war zone bitcoin is objectively more useful than diamonds because it is easier to move and harder to steel. But some people still might choose to hold diamonds in a war zone instead of bitcoin. Who has a better chance storing their value successfully, the person holding diamonds or the person holding bitcoin?

There are other similar, critical reasons why educated people on diamonds and bitcoin would choose bitcoin as an asset, as property, as a medium of exchange and as a store of value.

One critical reason is scarcity, like with gold most people cannot tell the difference between counterfeit and real diamonds, they rely on what experts tell them. If you trade diamonds for something without an expert available, say you need something in exchange for your diamonds, how can that person know the value of those diamonds and if they are real?

Diamonds are only becoming easier to counterfeit and can be indistinguishable from manufactured diamonds. Gold is counterfeiting is also advancing with technology. Scarcity is critical.

Also diamond markets, technology and areas to mine diamonds are captured. Inhuman mining practices like forced labor are utilized.

And yet there is no known capacity for diamonds, they are common within the earth. It's fictitious scarcity at best and a crime, an objective monopolized crime syndicate. It's a crime because of the slave labor, the monopolized market and captured mining. Scarcity is critical.

And scarcity is a big reason why bitcoin is better than gold, diamonds or your favorite land etc. Yes if you are in the desert with no water source water becomes more important like Saif said.

Water is incredibly abundant and drinkable water depends and your knowledge and ability. Your ability to distill or otherwise purify water. Your ability and know how to find clean water and or knowledge of clean water sources. You can make more water drinkable. You cannot make more bitcoin.

*In a war zone bitcoin is objectively more useful than diamonds because it is easier to move and harder to steal.

*Water is incredibly abundant and drinkable water depends on your knowledge and ability.

Okay let me put it other way - do you think art is scam ?

Diamonds are like art - the beauty lies in the eyes of beholder .. no one ever forced anyone to buy diamonds .. and as far as promotion and marketing is concerned - bitcoin is no different - except we call it "education"

Btw - i am NOT against #bitcoin .. my beef is with people who think bitcoin can only be promoted by downgrading other assets .. diamonds , stocks , arts or gold ..

The truth is bitcoin is creating its own wealth - it doesnt need to eat anything else's capitalization .. It is NOT a zero sum game as people like Saif and Saylor put it ...

Value is subjective, art is subjective. Meaning value including your opinion of beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.

Art encompasses many forms and modalities. Humans utilize substances and objects to create art.

Diamonds are a specific object, a mineral. Humans use diamonds to create art or they could be seen as god given/naturally made pieces of art.

It would be more accurate to say art can be made out of a mineral we call diamonds. Is any substance or object naturally occurring or man made art? Is iron art? Is water art? Is wood art? Is a rock art? Is salt art? Is paint art? Up to the eye of the beholder.

One could say God/nature creates art, but that diverts from the thoughts here that diamonds being curated by humans, marketed and sold is art so I'll stick to art being made by humans.

So take a different form of art or better something other than diamonds people use to make art as a better comparison.

If a company or group of companies controlled an object other than diamonds used to craft art, all red clay or all charcoal, and controlled the markets to sell the clay or charcoal.

And they used slave labor, marketed the clay or charcoal as scarce. They militantly capture the distribution and sales market.

So what makes the product scarce is the criminal capture of technology, the best mining locations, the ability to mine and markets to sell.

And then conditioning society to believe you need the charcoal or the clay to show love to your spouse. All in tandem with regulations / governments.

Then those forms of art would be more like the modern diamond market, whether diamonds are art is your opinion. How you see it or want to see it is of course up to you.

Or if a company captures a certain sand, or a certain rock and gets people to desire it, forces slave labor and markets it to get people to think they need it for love, thats no different and in the eye of the beholder too.

Value is subjective, reality is objective. Everyone can think whatever you want. Not everyone is free from the consequences of those thoughts.

Diamonds are objectively a scam because of reality. #Bitcoin is objectively useful because of reality.

The value of bitcoin or diamonds is subjective, the value is in the eye of the beholder.

One can think bitcoin is ugly and diamonds are beautiful. That person can see someone in a third world country flee from a dangerous city/living situation, a war zone and or a tyrannical government with their life savings thanks to bitcoin.

That same person can watch the slave labor mining diamonds. Watch the people enforcing this labor plan the marketing systems for the diamonds that conditions people to see them as desirable, beautiful and needed for love.

And they can still hate bitcoin and love diamonds and think the sculptures created with the diamonds are the best art of all the art ever to have existed. And be swept away by the song "diamonds are forever" while other people around the world desperately look for a medium of exchange and store of value no one can corrupt, censor or steal. Eye of the beholder, to each their own, up to you.

But again the consequence of trusting they are real diamonds when it's possible they are not, or that the scarcity enforced will continue forever. From new found mining, regulation or manufacturing technology or a cultural/societal change. Or that they invite violence when you aren't in a safe place.

And for bitcoin that it wont prove to become more necessary for people around the world.

*Value is subjective, reality is objective. Everyone can think whatever they want. Not everyone is free from the consequences of those thoughts.

Just to note i think diamonds and jewels look cool and like some sculpture art

And to diamonds as art, if you looked at a sculpture of any size, say a small pebble sized sculpture and its on a ring- a diamond ring.

You find that ring a beautiful piece of art and someone said it was made of diamonds. Then years later you found out it was made out of a different substance, would that change the artwork for you? If it does, why?

What if it was, or you were led to believe the non-diamond substance this sculpture was made from was equally scarce and or equally or even more desired by others?

What else is there other than the marketing from the people profiting off your desire?

*Diamonds are a specific substance, a mineral.

And bitcoin will and is taking value out of assets.

Because money is broke people are forced to use relatively desirable and scarce goods as a store of value , an investment hedge on inflation. Things like houses art and businesses/stocks etc.

Prices fall naturally to the marginal cost of production. Technology and human advancements in general cause deflation. Things become cheaper over time as society advances.

Bitcoin offers inviolable property rights to everyone Earth, something much needed for most of the world

Bitcoin is the best store of value and everything else will return to its functional utility price as people move there wealth to the best store of value, #bitcoin

Prices of other assets will never fall because Govs will always need to step in .. point in case property market in China ..

Bitcoin price will keep on increasing because of above printer .. and a part of it will go to gold .. but btc will be disproportionately high ..

Yep governments always have, always will. That's a big reason why bitcoin will take all the value. Fiat money will always inflate. Bitcoin obsoletes fiat money.

#Bitcoin is taking money (value) outside government control. If I pay in bitcoin or receive bitcoin in exchange for goods or work, that money is not alterable or corruptible by the government. Government cannot take value out of the bitcoin.

Governments will always inflate fiat currency. They will always debase people savings in fiat to the benefit of the government and those most connected to the government.

That's a big reason why #bitcoin is revolutionary.

For the first time people can use money and store value outside government's ability to steal their savings through printing money or taking their private property.

And it's borderless so people can move freely without physical encumbrances, whether dealing with banks / regulators or moving valuables over borders and through unsafe lands.