If you live in rural Ireland , you need a car for fucking everything , it's just a fact of life , and these mother fuckers want to bring in punative taxes for people who rely on petrol and diesel cars for their daily business, push them onto unaffordable electric vehicles , with limited servicability in terms of charging points and mechanics that are familiar with repairing them, and genrally make it really nasty for rural folks to just get on with their lives .

Fuck this shit .

Fucking boils my blood man .

Make no mistake about it , however else you may feel , there is classism built into this climate shit from the get-go.

If you can afford an electric vehicle , and to retrofit your home so that it is carbon neutral, and to buy the more expensive carbon-neutal applicances etc etc, then you are left alone by the state, and whats more , you are afforded a certain social prestige (not amongst people that know this shit is a total fucking scam mind you ) , and if you can't , not only are you punished for the crime of not being able to afford the climate cult starter pack, through punitive carbon taxes and schemes , you are looked down upon by those holier-than-thou climate cult members, who feel that by virtue of them having fiat and obsequiousness in the right ratio, that entitles them to feel morally superior.

The irony is that the upper-middle class (a relatively recent addition to Irish life I might add , and it isn't entirely to do money , it's an attitude more than anything else) is getting hollowed out like a fucking Halloween pumpkin, and little do they know , that the more they acquiesce to the arbitrary demands of supranational entities like the UN's IPCC , the closer they are to neo-serfdom.

Rant over .

Had a similar conversation with my wife, that the electric car push is just gaslighting. No average person can afford them, they make you out to be a baby polar bear murderer. $100-250k for an electric Kia, when I can buy a couple of twin turbo Kia Stingers for that.

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Over 100K?! We bought a KIA EV last week, was only about 80K and the government will pay for about half of it over the next three years because it's salary sacrifice value is 100% because it's an EV. But yeah, we're not in it because we believe we'll save baby polar bears 🤣😅 We're in it because unless the regulatory environment changes, we can probably sell it in three years for more than we pay for it after government write off's 😏 Hubby has been paying enough in taxes to the Aus government for long enough that we don't even feel bad.

Don't get me wrong, the idea of an electric car is interesting to me, that's why the wife and I are taking about it. The cost can be or can seem prohibitive without, as you mention, some sort of government insensitive.

Even for 80k, I can buy two petrol vehicles.

They are interesting for sure. A very different driving experience. I'm still getting used to all the new car "safety" stuff. We can do it because we have solar panels and live in the city. There's plenty of places it wouldn't work and lots of people it wouldn't work for. If it weren't for the investment opportunity it presents we wouldn't have bought it.

Im all for having the choice man, don't get me wrong. If it suits your needs , go for it. At the end of the day , the end users of EVs largely arent driving this.

Totally agree, not buying an ev anytime soon.

The markets should have been left alone to drive it. There would be many less EVs in the world still if governments weren't incentivising and pushing them. It's not the governments job to push that on everyone. It used to annoy me too and still does to an extent, we just decided we could profit from it while denying the government income revenue.

This is the ev my wife was talking about.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/kia-ev9-price-and-specs-australia/

Do you need 7 seats? We got the EV6 GT Line RWD (RWD goes further off one charge and has more frunk space than AWD). Even with a few extras it came under the luxury vehicle tax price. On a novated lease we don't pay the $7K in GST either.

Just window shopping on what's out there. The rwd gt sounds like a nice fun car though.