Vance is one of the biggest doves we've had anywhere near the Whitehouse in my lifetime. Not as dovish as I'd prefer, sure, but there's an Overton window to contend with when getting elected. Trump is slightly more of a dove than...well yea, all of the other presidents in my lifetime, though that doesn't say a ton. Lindsey Graham otoh makes Cheney or the Clintons look dovish, which is impressively awful.