I didn’t see the Rogan podcast but it reminds me that just because someone’s on Rogan it doesn’t make them omniscient and even Joe admits to being taken in occasionally. For example, people did put a lot of stock in the interview with Cmdr. Fraver about UFOs. I do remember years ago seeing Fraver on the PBS documentary “Carrier.” It seemed that even back then the guy was a definite attention hog. Does it prove what he says he saw? I don’t know but it does make me question his motives.