Trezor and Wasabi cannot be trusted. Avoid them
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I never trusted ledger and trezor, sorry dudes, I prefer better hardware wallets (they are probably still better than nothing, but.....)
Do any other hardware wallet companies contribute code to bitcoin core? Every bitcoiner uses code by satoshi labs.
Also, Trezor is open-source so I wouldn't immediately say "cannot be trusted". But this news with coinjoin surveillance threat is concerning.
@Trezor please explain yourselfs or fix this asap.
Unlike Ledger, that is not open-source...
Trezor and Ledger both have sh*tcoin functionality. That was the first red flag that steered me clear of either solution
So what’s the consensus? ColdCard?
Coldcard, Blockstream Jade, and SeedSigner are all great options. All Bitcoin only. None in bed with Chain Surveillance.
My personal favorite combo is Coldcard + Sparrow Wallet
Jade is highly underrated in my opinion
Agree. That’s what I usually recommend for a first hw wallet. Can’t beat the value for the price point either.
My only gripe with Jade is it doesn’t work easily with Sparrow - pretty much only works well with Blockstream Green software
Yea I think it only works with Sparrow as a single sig set up right?
Had trouble Sparrow recognizing my Jade device regardless of whether it was single sig or multi sig. Arman the Parman had a similar issue. Though I’ve heard others say that it is doable so who knows - probably some way to make Jade work with Sparrow - but not as easy as Coldcard with Sparrow. Jade with Green is a good combo too regardless, just wish Green had coinjoin functionality built in like Sparrow
Yea all good points, I was able to connect mine but I think I initially ran into an issue can’t remember what I did to get it to connect, was a while ago. Yea agree with you Green needs to implement whirlpool or jade needs to work better with Sparrow and it would be a deadly device.
I also haven't been able to connect Jade to Sparrow.
Thinking about using Green, but am wondering if there are privacy trade-offs. Does Green store the xpub for your wallet like Ledger Live?
https://help.blockstream.com/hc/en-us/articles/7559912660761-How-do-I-use-Blockstream-Jade-with-Sparrow- see if this is helpful for connecting
They’re in bed with Chain Surveillance companies.
What more need be said?
Feature, not a bug,
Won't be "fixed".
I will write here the same I wrote under Matthew's video...
...on this one I have to disagree. I think your view on this particular matter is very black & white. Let me add something to it:
1. It is completely voluntary to use coinjoin feature in Trezor.
2. Nobody, not even the coordinator knows who you are. (As you are hidden thanks to tor and block filters)
3. I spoke directly with nostr:npub1klkk3vrzme455yh9rl2jshq7rc8dpegj3ndf82c3ks2sk40dxt7qulx3vt and listened to people from Trezor ( nostr:npub16lcw8ytugeh3ug3na93yl0tdf0gnjtduljhn2a852atf6jtvkucs7pruje and others) explaining their point of view on coinjoin with WabiSabi.
- zkSNACKs/WabiSabi was chosen because - as stick put it, it is superior coinjoin to the Whirlpool in the sense that WabiSabi coinjoin is a superset of Whirlpool. Meaning WabiSabi can do everything Whirlpool can (potentially) but not the other way around. So from a future point of view, in regard to potential functionality, this was a better coinjoin solution to go with.
- Both Max and people from Trezor would much rather use coinjoin which does not follow OFAC transaction censorship. It's disgusting. Everyone agrees. But as zkSNACKs is a company that could and already was harassed by law enforcers in Gibraltar, it was decided that - at least for the time being - it will follow OFAC regulations to avoid this while providing pretty good privacy feature to the masses.
4. Another kind of "feature" is that Trezor users can for free check their UTXOs if any of them is blacklisted by OFAC. (If it is, it will be refused when trying to coinjoin it) This will tell users upfront and they will know to be potentially careful to not send such UTXO to exchanges to avoid freezing of their funds or even an account. And they will know that such UTXO should be handled differently - eg. leveraging the lightning network. (I guess that should help...)
I really do not see this one to be so bad. Trezor works just as it did before. But on top, it enables pretty damn good, one-click strong privacy feature to all its users. This feature does not leak information about you to anyone. But it does not let you to use this feature when your UTXO is on OFAC list. You will find out for free, without any issue and you can deal with such UTXO separately.
Good to hear another perspective. Thanks
Let me know if you have any questions.
(browse my notes for some further perspectives)
On point three, it’s similar to US companies saying we’re going to keep selling oil to the Germans during ww2 because it makes us money, we don’t really have any control of what they do with that oil in terms of killing allied soldiers, extermination of Jews, and wanting to take over the world. (Btw, they did do precisely this for the cash)
If trezor finds the decision ‘despicable’, why are they integrating with a project that literally pays the enemy (chain surveillance nazis)?
Cuz money trumps morals?
I hope you recognize the monumental technological breakthrough this is...