Monero is opting into being poor
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Monero is for the blind low IQ npc
Yeah, but it does have utility. You don’t have to believe USD is the ultimate end game solution to make use of it for a moment to buy some groceries. Same with monero.
There are very few Monero maxis like there are Bitcoin maxis.
Usually they're pragmatic and honest about the trade-offs.
Unlike Bitcoin Maxis.
Yeah I don't really understand why the two camps don't like each other honestly, sure you will focus on one more than the other but ultimately they both have a similar idea in mind and a similar goal of being used to free people monetarily. I don't hate BTC or XMR I find maximalism to be similar political zealots who make their entire personality their political views. I like both. I'll use both. If you love BTC cool, If you love XMR cool. If you hate both also cool, it's your money to do with what you want.
With that being said I think everyone has been a bit of zealot at times. I have and I regret it honestly.
Yeah, I think that's accurate.
I get on these threads and get autistic because I think it's about critical thinking in the end.
Critical thinking and preparing for adversarial situations is how we got here. If you approach it like a religion,
it's all about Bitcoin, Bitcoin is inevitable, perfect and infallible and everything else is garbage
then you give up that critical thinking which is necessary for freedom.
That attitude to be the biggest threat to regaining the freedom we lost to the fiat system.
iow bitcoin maximalism is an attack on Bitcoin.
Monero side really doesn't care about BTC until the maxis larp about having "freedom". That is when you sound the horn of war. Many of us were early bitcoin adopters, it is just awful to see how bitcoin today goes against the monetary freedom that a cryptocurrency should bring.
It isn't about monero as a religion that is the "right choice", it is about the tools that deliver privacy and freedom to safeguard your economic choices. The moment potentially better options arrive, they should be tested and considered. Heck, each one here should be doing their best to push forward better tech for the sake of our common future.
If your primal objective with crypto is become rich rather being anonymous then something is wrong with your principles
Primary objective is to be sovereign. Which includes running the node I choose.
I know how to use Bitcoin privately when I need to, it's truly not hard. Sometimes I zap in public, sometimes I buy in private, it's my choice
How can you be "sovereign" if you value your BTCs based on fiat speculations, like most hodlers do?
Does Monero not have a market price? I fail to see how this applies to Bitcoin but not monero
Do Monero users not make purchases based on the current exchange rate?
Are you asserting that if you participate in the market you are therefore not sovereign?
But to answer your question directly, I am sovereign because I hold my own keys and I broadcast my own transactions and I audit the supply of coins without any third parties, using node software I've selected. If Bitcoin core updates to a new version tomorrow and I don't like it, I am not forced to use it
Yeah, it still does have a market cap / price, however Monero has been delisted from almost all CEXs. This a great indicative that mainstream fiat markets don't like the Monero's privacy features but this is no problem for us as we can trade only in P2P.
My point is: most Bitcoin maxis just care about hodl and nothing more while most Monero users want to engage in anonymous commerce using solely XMR. Darknet markets is shifting from BTC to XMR
https://livedarknet.com/p/is-bitcoin-losing-its-place-on-the-darknet/
anonymity is not a goal, anonymity is a tool. What you said is exactly like saying your primal objective with woodworking is using a hammer. Doesn't make any sense.
"anonymity is not a goal, anonymity is a tool"
As expected, Bitcoin maxis always relativizing the natural right of privacy inherent to all humans
As expected, people with too much ego passive aggressively assuming that if you disagree with them you must be fit in some made up group they despise!
Sorry dude, you couldn't be more wrong with this "bitcoin maxis" thing :-D
I'm just trying to make a point: anonymity is a natural right to any human being, therefore half-privacy is contradictory. When Bob and Alice make a transaction there's no reason to an outsider entity (like a government agent) know about this transaction
I see your point but its more than that I think.
without private wealth you don't really *own* your assets. because they can be taken from you by force.
Privacy is a necessary condition of ownership in a hostile environment.
as Mr nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ex2mrfw3jhxtn0wfnszynhwden5te0wahhgtn4w3ux7tn0dejszxthwden5te0wdjkuerfwshxummnvekxzun99e3k7mgrcp7e2 has pointed out ad infinitum, no privacy, no wealth, no wealth no freedom.
So if *sovereignty* is the goal, privacy is a necessary prerequisite.