Who is "God?"
> God alone is Lord of the conscience...
WCF XX.2, "[Of Christian Liberty, and Liberty of Conscience](https://opc.org/wcf.html#Chapter_20)"
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Discussion
Don't you mean who are God?
There are three gods and a single mother god in Christianity.
No Christian has ever believed that.
The Creator of heaven and earth.
WLC
Q. 7. What is God?
A. God is a Spirit, in and of himself infinite in being, glory, blessedness, and perfection; all-sufficient, eternal, unchangeable, incomprehensible, everywhere present, almighty, knowing all things, most wise, most holy, most just, most merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth.
Q. 8. Are there more Gods than one?
A. There is but one only, the living and true God.
Q. 9. How many persons are there in the Godhead?
A. There be three persons in the Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one true, eternal God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory; although distinguished by their personal properties.
Q. 10. What are the personal properties of the three persons in the Godhead?
A. It is proper to the Father to beget the Son, and to the Son to be begotten of the Father, and to the Holy Ghost to proceed from the Father and the Son from all eternity.
Q. 11. How doth it appear that the Son and the Holy Ghost are God equal with the Father?
A. The Scriptures manifest that the Son and the Holy Ghost are God equal with the Father, ascribing unto them such names, attributes, works, and worship, as are proper to God only.
You say 3 = 1
I say 3 = 3
No, there is numerically ONE God. He does not consist of body, parts, or passions. That one God exists eternally in what we -- for lack of a better word -- call "persons."
Obviously you're free to disagree, just be sure you understand what you're disagreeing with. No Christian would say we worship "three gods." Granted, the doctrine of the Trinity is mysterious--yet it is clearly revealed in Scripture. For 2000 years Christianity has affirmed this--so to claim we believe something different is simply untrue. See John Owen, "[A Brief Declaration and Vindication of the Doctrine of the Trinity](https://www.ccel.org/ccel/owen/trinity/trinity.i.html)" if you'd like to understand why we say this.
I already understand, and you're free to disagree as well.
God is not a "family" of individuals plus a flying ghost that only Christians can feel. All of God's creations are based in logic, just look around you. To state otherwise is blasphemy.
God has oneness; one, alone, no family, no associates, no past and no future. God sends messengers (not sons (or daughters)) to spread His message.
God does not need to show Himself as a human so He can "convince" us of His existence.
Our prophet Jesus Christ (PBUH) NEVER, unequivically, told anyone to worship him which means he is NOT God. Even his deciples NEVER worshiped him. He is a special human unlike you and me, but he is definately not God no matter how much you think otherwise.
You say Isa is a Prophet - can a Prophet lie? He said, "I and the Father are one." He said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." He said, "Before Abraham was, I AM." This was what the Jews charged him with--making himself equal with God. He did not deny it. If he was not divine and was charged with blasphemy, surely he would have objected--being a true Prophet? Wouldn't a faithful messenger of God adamantly deny to be God himself?
Of course he received worship, from Thomas, and many other places--especially in The Revelation. Mere angels/messengers of God would (and did) strongly forbid this--but Jesus did not. He is named as Creator in John 1 and Colossians 1, and numerous other places. Scriptures referring to God in the OT are explicitly applied to him the New Testament.
The Koran says the OT and the NT are also Scriptures. Centuries before Mohammad was born, Isaiah called God not only "Father" but "everlasting Father" -- how can he be an everlasting Father unless he has an everlasting Son as well? Jesus, in the NT, refers to him almost exclusively as "father." The Koran teaches that our Scriptures "were corrupted" yet it also says that God keeps his Scriptures pure--and we have copies of the NT from before Mohommad that match what we have today, and we have copies of the OT from before Mohammad that match what we have today also. So -- what can be logically deduced from that?
We can be adopted into the household of God by faith in Christ. We are not mere servants--we submit, yes--but we are more than mere servants and supplicants. We (like Moses) are the "friends" of God, even the "sons and daughters" of God (by adoption):
> Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called sons of the living God.
Respectfully - consider your reasons for not also accepting the Book of Mormon, since it's the exact same scenario with Joseph Smith as it was with Mohammad. It is *those* documents that internally refute themselves, it is *those* documents that are not, and never were, the Word of God.
> In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. ... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only begotten Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
[John 1:1–5, 14](https://esv.org/John+1), ESV
No doubt we will continue to disagree, which is fine -- so rather than continue, let's go on enjoying one another's posts on other things we enjoy and/or have in common. 🤙
I'm confused brother, it was you who decided to open this discussion with me (which you have the right to). And now it is you who wants to end it (which is your right too).
But next time, don't start something if you're just going to quit.
I tried to offer you a summery of our discussion which is still valid to spare you off it but it seems like it wasn't satisfactory and you kept on going.
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