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I'm reading the 4th Turning as part of our Bitcoin meetup's book club and thinking about our political leaders so much is kind of stressing me out and is really pissing me off.

How the fuck are we going to get through this 4th turning when the system is so rotten? It's gonna take some fuckin big time energy and we're not going to be able to vote our way out of this mess.

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Not everyone is gonna make it through friend. Thats the point.

What does that even mean though? That's the point? The point of what? A 4th turning?

If you mean that war is coming and many will die, ok, but a war against who? And who will fight and die in this war? Gen Z?

Do you mean politicians won't make it through? I think that's a given... But that's gonna happen with or without a 4th turning.

Please elaborate. I actually seriously want to know what you think.

The ones who are under mind control by the ZOG will be sacrificed in war, vaccines, suicide, starvation…

ZOG has the Ukraine meat grinder running. Looks like they’re turning up the religious wars now. All those who are unware of the Archons and the demiurge will be loosh farmed. Once you see it, they cant control your divine Christ consciousness from rising.

Spiritual war. Totally agree.

Stay humble. Let God guide you. It's the only way through this IMHO.

Well if you have to ask.....

What's that supposed to mean? Like I literally have no idea.

If I have to ask how the 4th turning will resolve... What? I'm not gonna make it? So does that mean you know how global power is going to adjust over the next decade?

Seriously, do tell. I actually want to know what people think.

I'm mainly responding the last question in your post. And I'm (mostly jokingly) implying that you're NGMI.

Gotcha. So... What do you think (other than that I'm NGMI). Do you think a 4th tuning is on the horizon? How do you think it'll resolve?

It's probably going to get pretty ugly. The gerontocracy is currently picking at the bones of the global economy/real estate/ labor/ entire system and actively trying to stoke just about every discernible group into infighting at some level.

There are millions of people in countries that for the most part are generally disruptive to the society they have found themselves within.

There are a lot of angry young men.

There are a lot of delusional young women.

There are a lot of clueless and unsympathetic older people.

I'd say rather than some forthcoming event that we should all be wary of. We are actually in the beginning or middle of whatever this event is. And because of being so close to it we are unable to see it. Or because we have been so hypernormalised we have been forbidden from seeing it.

Either way. The problem is here. It is what we choose to allow to get us out of it.

If we allow an older out of touch generation to continue to rule over us and flood countries with people that diametrically oppose the values of those countries then that will continue until it doesn't.

If violence is deemed necessary to get what people want then it will undoubtedly occur. Does that make it bad? Is throwing rotting fruit away bad?

Nothing is going to magically stop the ball from rolling at this point and transport us all into the society we want. The ball is going to roll in the direction we push it and I wouldn't doubt that blood will be used to speed things up. Just a matter of whose blood and why.

Well said. I agree. I'm starting to feel like these MFers should be getting nervous.

The masses are getting calls to action and I think Gen Z and Millennials will ultimately decide the path forward.

Ultimately I think we're in a spiritual war, which is why it's hard to identify the "enemy" we need to be fighting. I'm choosing to be on the side of God and hopefully that's enough for me to figure out what to do be doing to get things into a better place for me, my family and my community.

Yeah that's the only path forward. Smaller scale thinking and preserving your people's values through whatever community you have. Even if it's just your immediate family. Culture is what ultimately will drive us forward. Even on the smallest of scales.

I think this is why we see a lot of nostalgia for the 80s/90s right now.

Hell even bringing back things like incandescent light bulbs.

I don't know if we will really even need to see some large scale war effort. That might even feed into the hands of the current controlling class. But there certainly needs to be an amount of real justice. None of this magically goes away without someone or something being held accountable for the last 60yrs (at least) of wrong doing.

I'm hopeful but I try not to be cluelessly optimistic.

If you’re an American, I think one of the 1st steps is reframing our thinking and language from political leaders to political representatives. The citizens are the leaders here, that’s what was unique and codified in our founding. Bitcoin is a huge part of my answer, but our posture toward all levels of government and not acting as if they can just do what they want is also important.

Agree. And I can be vocal about how these MFers cannot be allowed to do whatever they want, but that's not enough to resolve a 4th turning.

Do you think a major, nation changing, world changing event is on the horizon? Apparently they tend to happen every 80-100 years or so and the last one was like 80-100 years ago.

I think it’s already happening which is why so many people feel angst. Old revolutions were based on access to physical power because information was so easy to control. This is the 1st time the major battle front is over control of information, so it feels completely different and doesn’t fit the recognizable cycle theory of previous turnings.

Yep, I've been saying something similar... it's a different battlefield. The war of this 4th turning won't be fought with bullets and 18 year olds.

Unlike WWII, the prophet generation aren't the allies of the hero generation, they are their lethal enemy.

Opting out of all news and politics fixes this 🙏

Source: Me, I did this around 2018 and never looked back.

How would this help get us out of this 4th turning?

Get us out of what? I'm not going to go read a shitload of paranoia-laced literature about whatever's coming. I'm only as prepared as I can be, and whatever it is, I'm sure it's already coming, so there's nothing I can do about it. I see no need for me to try to imagine hamster wheels about it and spend energy on worrying about it.

Additionally, I'll be 53 soon, and lucky if I live another 20 years, so there's that.