What layer 2s currently exist on Bitcoin, other than lightning?

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Do layer 3s currently exist on top of lightning?

ChatGPT deep research got me to the following list of layer 2s:

- Lightning

- Liquid

- Rootstock

- Stacks

- Statechains

I’ve only used lightning, have heard of liquid, but none of the others.

Are there any other layer 2s gaining traction?

What is cashu considered? I’ve heard nostr:nprofile1qqsg86qcm7lve6jkkr64z4mt8lfe57jsu8vpty6r2qpk37sgtnxevjcqz7p82 mention Fedi - is this a layer 2?

Any resources on these topics are greatly appreciated and will be zapped ⚡️

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There’s some debate on how you define a true L2, but I’d say Lightning is the only one that really qualifies. All the rest have very different trust tradeoffs.

Stacks is an affinity scam as far as I can tell.

Ark is promising (still in development) and probably has the best trade offs.

I also think Alpen (from Alpen Labs) and Spark (from Lightspark) are interesting.

Cashu is e-cash reinvented. It goes way back as pretty much being the OG cryptosystem back in the 80s made by David Chaum. @npub12rv5lskctqxxs2c8rf2zlzc7xx3qpvzs3w4etgemauy9thegr43sf485vg is the resident master of e-cash here and is a lot more familiar with it but it's essentially an off-chain way to on-ramp/off-ramp/utilize the Bitcoin system.

Basically it translates bitcoin into tokens that exist on your device that you can use in apps - almost like an an arcade where you can get your money back for the unspent bitcoin you've used.

Cashu/nostr wallet has been the only system I've found that allows the best possible UX for most users, who are largely untechnical - simply scan a QR code or use the receiver address generated with Cash App (used by ~60 million young Americans) and you can pretty much create bitcoin experiences seamlessly.

if you wanna give it a spin to experience the magic, try it out here https://robotsbuildingeducation.com

cashuBpGFteCJodHRwczovL21pbnQubWluaWJpdHMuY2FzaC9CaXRjb2luYXVjc2F0YXSBomFpSABQBVDwSUFGYXCDo2FhAmFzeEBjMWMyOGRhYWQ4MDc3ZDk5ODYzZDg1MzY5NmFmNWZkZGRkNzRhODQxNzBhNmFkYjQxMTBmMDg0ZjEzNzU3NGM0YWNYIQNA9xXsZfKz9l5lfJ-wK9Qrrr3z_4ZT6llAhQVKIXqyuqNhYQJhc3hAMWVlZDEzNmJlYWQzYWE1YmQ1OGEwNmJlOTgwNDM2Mjc3YmE2ODU1OGU1YjBhZjBkZGEzMDAwYWM1MTFlMGQ1N2FjWCEC1KSPKrUTI9NRDC7jAUz3i5TgNt-FSDsMh2OYyi4HrIejYWEBYXN4QGJiNjdhMDc1YmI3MDAwYzU3NTc5NWIxYjhkMGEwMDkwMDdhNDJkMmZlZDg5NDFiNjhlNmY2MmQxYmI2NTQ2MjhhY1ghAmtP1MdQ95SiYAy8gzZMGy3Qj6FS6iDWP2ep7EtFFrFmYWRyU2VudCBmcm9tIE1pbmliaXRz

play with cashu.me and throw sats in there.

Can check out aqua to play with liquid as well