I wouldn't separate those two so easily.

Accepting that there is an objective standard is very, very fundamental to morality, and, you don't get that with any serious flavor of atheism.

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I'm not so sure about that one, mate. I don't necessarily see morality from that particular angle. I see morality as more of a component of the individual. And it being their duty to discover and develop their moral and ethical convictions. I've never felt the need to hold belief in a core set of principles to achieve this.

Except that where does that duty come from? You can't just speak it into existence without it being based on something. That kind of subjectivity leads to post-modernism and all the gross stuff that entails.

I vehemently disagree! I, most definitely, can speak that into existence. And i have done so. That duty I feel to protect my family comes from the belief that I'm the only bloke capable and willing to do so. I don't need some false deity to tell me to do that.

To play devil's advocate...

Why do you feel that is your duty to protect your family?

Why do you think? Or do you really want me to say why?

I'm curious as to your reasoning.

How is that not the duty of a father? How isn't it the same of someone's son?

How am I playing devils advocate?

Look at how many sires of children don't raise them. If there are no objective standards based on absolute truth, then why are you bothering to do that when so many others don't?

I don't care about them. That's their issue. Certainly not mine. There are absolutely no objective standards when it comes to my moral and ethical standards and I believe that makes them of much higher standard than any BS religious ones. I don't bloody well care if others don't do it. 🤣🤣🤣 I do it! Its ensured the safety of my family and that's all! Done! Goodnight! 🌚👍

Goodnight.

Even if you're logic is flawed, I'm glad you're doing the right thing. 😎