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You're telling me as a new user, having NEVER used nostr, and trying it for the first time, then leaving, you would NOT create another account because you lost your key the first time you tried and DISMISSED nostr?

Umm.. again. That goes back to motivation. If the person is motivated, they will act. If they are not, they won't, they'll be lazy and do something else.

Nostr at face value does not provide anything spectacularly better than traditional social media, in fact the experience is far worse. You have to really care to see what this protocol is about to give it your time. We see this evident in the rate at which people try nostr and leave.

Obviously, we are all edging towards better experiences for people to keep them around once they sign up. The signup process is ridiculously easy right now. Even in my user tests people were surprised at how easy it was to sign up. This is because they did not save the keys, nor understood the importance of them. No amount of messaging would change it for them because they were not motivated. PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE, DON'T READ. This is a fact. I can send you test after test to show you that people don't read anything you show them.

I am not sure what you are proposing anyway. What would you like to see happen? We can test anything and that is what we are doing. If the testing phase of nostr turns people off, then by all means come back later when the UX is straightened out, but right now we are in the phase of figuring out what works without giving people the false idea that they can use email / password (until / unless it becomes a reality).

The beautiful part about nostr is that we can test multiple things at once. We can test a lot of education in onboarding, and minimal education (defer for later). Once again I will point out that the results of these tests WILL DEPEND ON MOTIVATION LEVELs.

When we all came here in December of last year or thereabouts, we were highly motivated and already familiar with key pairs. This made it easier for us to stick around. Someone following another influencer will also be more motivated. Someone who values censorship-resistance will be motivated. Someone who is an early adopter and sticks around despite issues will be more motivated. We will do our best to help ALL newcomers, and tests + data will point us in the right direction over time. Right now it's your opinion vs. someone else's and we don't have the data to understand what is more clear to people.

I've already proposed using familiar terminology for login even though it's inaccurate to use it and will create additional confusion.

Ultimately, I don't know what will work best yet. This is part of testing things out to see what resonates the most. If you believe you have THE answer, but all means, put it forward and convince a client to try it. I just think you won't see the same results as you imagine.

I’m sorry I can’t read or reply to this right now but I will try to later.

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We’re probably on the same page if we just discussed this in person.

True. Agreeing about significantly more than not.