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WoT is about endorsement. That's why it has "trust" in the name.

Knowing who some npub follows doesn't necessarily tell me anything at all, about what they're actually looking at. I used to have over 1k follows, and I just looked at my relay feeds and some lists. You would need the relay traffic to know, and you can't necessarily monitor all of their relays.

I was happy to follow everyone back because it didn't mean anything.

> The current follow problem that I have can be solved client-side; where one can see whether the follow is reciprocal (why doesent Amethyst have this?) and how long since that person has been "active." (e.g. likes, zaps, profile updates, posts, replies, etc.) Then it should be trivial to unfollow dead accounts and the follow-list is more meaningful.

We actually have mini-clients that do this. I've used them, repeatedly, but it quickly leads to a dull, low-signal feed because the people who are the most-interesting to read are also often the ones that post less-frequently or more often on private or protected/AUTH relays, and they are much much less-likely to "follow back".

I'm well aware that my nostr:npub1l5sga6xg72phsz5422ykujprejwud075ggrr3z2hwyrfgr7eylqstegx9z account has a rock-bottom WoT, because it has no follows, and my nostr:npub1m4ny6hjqzepn4rxknuq94c2gpqzr29ufkkw7ttcxyak7v43n6vvsajc2jl has a lowish one, as I don't follow that many npubs, but I leave it like that, on purpose. In protest. I think follows are commie, designed to reduce our freedom, create rampant shadow-banning, force us to make all of our contacts public and easily searchable, and steer us all to be drooling influencer groupies.

Everything I've seen happen, on Nostr, since I got here, just solidifies that opinion for me. There has not been any counter-evidence. The whole situation has just steadily degraded.

Most people disagree with me, and cannot imagine how Nostr could work well without Kind 03, but I am not Most People and never have been.

Brunswick 5mo ago

> I'm well aware that my nostr:nprofile1qqs06gywary09qmcp2249ztwfq3ue8wxhl2yyp3c39thzp55plvj0sgpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejqzyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9emkjmn9qydhwumn8ghj7argv4nx7un9wd6zumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tc7xx9t4 account has a rock-bottom WoT, because it has no follows, and my nostr:nprofile1qqsd6ejdteqpvse63ntf7qz6u9yqspp4z7ymt8094urzwm0x2ceaxxgprdmhxue69uhhg6r9vehhyetnwshxummnw3erztnrdakj7qgmwaehxw309a3ksunfwd68q6tvdshxummnw3erztnrdakszyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9ekxzmny7dky6k has a lowish one, as I don't follow that many npubs, but I leave it like that, on purpose.

Your sense of WoT is reverse to the way I understand it. If your nostr:nprofile1qqs06gywary09qmcp2249ztwfq3ue8wxhl2yyp3c39thzp55plvj0sgpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejqzyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9emkjmn9qydhwumn8ghj7argv4nx7un9wd6zumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tc7xx9t4 account follows someone, that doesent increase your own WoT; rather it depends on who follows the nostr:nprofile1qqs06gywary09qmcp2249ztwfq3ue8wxhl2yyp3c39thzp55plvj0sgpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejqzyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9emkjmn9qydhwumn8ghj7argv4nx7un9wd6zumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tc7xx9t4 account that increases the score. Yes, you don't follow anyone, but that only means you don't need reciprocity due to your own established credibility. The WoT idea is that "high trust" people (who has *your* "trust" which depends on your own follow list and the trust score of who they follow) are depended upon to only follow high-value identities. If your "friend" is following a bunch spam (evidenced by their reposting of crap accounts), you will hopefully unfollow them due to the low value of their posts. Its this score that gives credibility, but only in the sense that the accounts aren't spammers or imposters. The purpose of this WoT isn't necessarily to know who you *should* follow, but to filter out who you *shouldn't* follow and clutter up your feed.

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Silberengel 5mo ago

Not having follows is one major reason why I get muted so much and have surprisingly few follows. There are scripts that auto-mute and/or auto-unfollow anyone without follows. It's also a major reason why people refuse to follow me, as they only do the follow-back thing.

My npubs have lots of mutes (also just because I'm such a horrible person and I make people feel unsafe 🙄), which counts negatively toward WoT, and some of the algos deduct points for not having follows, on principle, as we're seen as "refusing to WoT with others", so we get actively penalized.

Brunswick 5mo ago

Maybe the solution is to standardize on a WoT schema, which includes allowing people to decide what contributes to the score and set their own thresholds for muting. I think your beef is with clients that make it difficult to see people on a ban liat, and/or with being binned in with bots and spammers.

Silberengel 5mo ago

As long as follow feeds dominate, I will always be in the bin. Along with anyone new.