Your comment, and Chat GPT's response to you still supports my comment. Which is the trinitarian view. I understand that it also supports the Muslim view. Which means, at the least, we can agree on that. :)
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Happy đ with that but research more. What you think about prophet Mohamed mentioned in Bible (orginal) do you believe it?
I do not agree with the assertion or the interpretation. It's rather cherry picked, and ignores other uses of the same Hebrew term in the Old Testimate. This comment broke it down quite well: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WJNcQ1Mz9MU&lc=UgzvC8OxwmRfKDyyxeN4AaABAg
Great question. Let's go deeper:
Does John 20:17 support Trinitarian Christianity?
Hereâs the key part of the verse again:
> âI am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.â
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1. Core of Trinitarian Belief
Trinitarian Christians believe:
One God in three persons: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
The Son (Jesus) is fully God and fully man (the doctrine of hypostatic union).
Within the Trinity, the Son submits to the Father in role, but is equal in essence.
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2. Problems This Verse Raises for Trinitarianism
a) Jesus says âmy Godâ
If Jesus is God, why does he call anyone âmy Godâ?
Islamic view: God cannot have a God; this proves Jesus is not God.
Trinitarian challenge: It sounds like Jesus is not equal to God.
b) Distinction between âmy Fatherâ and âyour Fatherâ
Suggests a different kind of relationship.
Jesus seems to say: âHe is my Father in one way, and your Father in another.â
Trinitarians say this supports Jesusâs unique Sonship, distinct from believers.
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3. Trinitarian Defense
Trinitarian scholars argue:
Jesus is speaking as a man, post-resurrection, still in his incarnate human form.
Saying âmy Godâ is part of his voluntary submission as Messiah (see Hebrews 5:8).
The Father and Son are equal in divinity, but different in role.
Key example:
> Philippians 2:6-8:
âThough he was in the form of God... he humbled himself... and became obedient... even death on a cross.â
So, in this view, Jesus calling God âmy Godâ reflects his human role, not denial of divinity.
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4. Honest Assessment
This verse does not directly support the Trinity.
It never mentions the Holy Spirit.
It shows Jesus distinguishing himself from God.
It raises questions about divine equality.
But it also doesn't refute Trinitarianism if you accept:
The idea of dual nature (God-Man).
That Jesus can submit in role while remaining equal in nature.
So, Trinitarianism can interpret this verse, but the interpretation requires theological assumptions not explicit in the text.
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Final Verdict:
John 20:17:
Challenges Trinitarian doctrine at face value.
Supports Islamic views of Jesus more directly.
But doesn't âdisproveâ the Trinity because it can still be explained within its complex theological framework.
Would you like to see how early Church fathers handled this verse or how it was debated in history?