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Appreciate your reply and I understand where you‘re coming from.

With regards to the NAP, the question which needs to be asked is what is actually harmful. If we e.g. look at car traffic, pollution other than CO2 like nitric oxide or particulate matter are very harmful to others today and may be more harmful than CO2 might ever become. Even electric cars do not resolve this as components like tyres or breaks cause this kind of air pollution as well.

Nevertheless, if we compare car traffic today with 50 years ago, the unhealthy pollution declined massively. This is because humans are innovative and came up with solutions like catalysts.

The same can be true for climate related issues. Just think for example of rising sea levels. Did you know that 20% of the Netherlands is land reclaimed from the sea? Humans are really great at shaping their environment and will continue to strive even with rising sea levels.

I think the main reason why more and more people reject the climate debate is its unbalanced approach to environmental issues (focus on CO2 only) and the rejection of innovation as a means to mitigate climate risks.

the wise rabbit 🐰⚡️ 1y ago

I somewhat agree.

Only because people are innovative, which we definitely are, even more so under a sound money standard, I believe we should avoid risks at all costs. People overestimate their ability to innovate. There won’t be an innovation to a 40m sea level rise within 200 years. The Netherlands will just be gone. Yes, solutions are there, bike infrastructure is a huge innovation over a car centric city, providing mental and physical health benefits for it’s citizens. Plant based alternatives to meat have had huge leaps in popularity.

The only thing that doesn’t want to really change is the people who have lived their whole life destroying the planet and not feeling bad about it.

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Josef ⚡️ 1y ago

See, that‘s where we have a different opinion. I think it‘s essential for human growth to take risks. The only reason we can have such comfortable lives today is that a lot of people took a lot of risk. Otherwise humans would still live in a cave somewhere in Central Africa.

As regards your sea level worries, I need to call BS. Even the high estimate of the IPCC for „business as usual policy“ is just a 1.1m sea level rise until 2100. https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/ipcc_far_wg_I_chapter_09.pdf

Also, with regards to plant-based alternatives to meat, imo that goes against the NAP. Highly processed foods consisting of mainly seed oils and soy/beans are not a balanced or healthy diet. They lack essential vitamins and contain high doses of inflammable compounds like linoleic acid. Plus, vast amounts of land would be unused if we stop cattle farming as soils are often not accesible (mountains), nutrient-dense (need for fertilizer) or warm enough to use for other agricultural products.