Could you please explain your opinion more in detail?
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I expect relay runners to give up at one point. I see relays going down all the time. Some never come back.
What kind of incentives exist for keeping a relay up for 30-40 years?
None.
In social media users want to see the posts they’ve done and the reactions. With nostr relays that is not working out reliable.
Your posts, answers, images etc. could all be gone tomorrow and maybe come back the day after or never come back. Maybe the relay which connected you with a friend goes down and then no nostr app shows your friend profile anymore…
That‘s my thought for the social media part/usage of the protocol… which is unusable for ‚normie‘ social media users (normies = not interested in decentralization).
It’s so strange we don’t record and keep for eternity all the conversations we have in real life.
I personally don’t care if tomorrow all my stuff here vanishes. The ones who appreciated my deranged notes maybe will remember.
In the end it would be much much better for the notes to disappear after few days or months.
As you mentioned conversations in real life are not recorded but only remembered for some time in our heads. Hopefully important stuff gets into our long-term memory and the rest can get lost after some time.
So in my opinion my regular chit chat on social media platforms can get deleted after some time and I would be okay with that. I think I would not go back a few years in my timeline and read my old posts. 😅
But what if someone posted some really valuable stuff. I would want that this note stays until infinity and beyond.
Yeah the next question is what is valuable? People value things differently.
Will be interesting how that will play out over time and what solutions will come up. 😊
If someone posted some really valuable stuff, that stuff would be safe in one or more of my local drives. If really really valuable, it would be printed and stored safely.
It’s the mindset that is wrong. The internet is a cauldron of informations. Nothing escapes the boiling soup, but not everything keeps surfacing.
‚It‘s the mindset that is wrong‘.
So if the product is shit the people should just change how they use social media?
Come on. What a silly point.
People use social media to keep their images, messages and connections reliable in an app. When that friend/family member connection works one day and not the next day… they leave and never come back. They consider the app broken.
On nostr you can invite a friend and connect to him via npub and maybe the next day this friend doesn‘t show up in your app or in ‚search’ anymore.
So in that case you tell him: ‚Just change your expectations. Your mindset is wrong.‘ ?
I’m sorry, maybe I didn’t explain myself clearly enough.
The wrong mindset is that of the people that think that information stored in the world wide web is safe and eternal. It is not so.
As for the rest of your kind reply, it is my opinion that we are losing the view of what are the main functions of many objects.
To me social networks are means to share informations, not store them.
Nostr is a decentralised protocol. As in all decentralised environments, information must be distributed to work well.
Want centralised information management? You pay for that. Dearly.
Have a great day!
“On nostr you can invite a friend and connect to him via npub and maybe the next day this friend doesn‘t show up in your app or in ‚search’ anymore”
Here you just have to manage your list of relays, somewhere else you may get your precious account banned.
There’s always a price. It’s up to you how you want to pay.
Thx for explaining it to me. I’m not that familiar with the technical stuff about nostr, but that’s a good point with the missing incentive keeping up a relay.
You could make people pay for using your relay but to make that happen you have to offer a huge added value, so people think it’s worth it.
But for social media I don’t see that case. People are used to get that for “free” and would stay with the free relays and get annoyed that relays disappear altogether with their posts. I don’t see that the mass will accept that.
I think it’s more likely to happen that relay runners will seek profit from advertising companies.
Is it possible to setup a relay and only show e.g. posts about sneakers?
If yes, relay runner could define their niche, so advertising companies could reach a specific target group through them and pay the relay runner.
I’m really curious how that will be solved.
Time will tell. ✌️
Any new thoughts on this? Have you seen the "pay to post" relays (using zaps, I think)? Could those provide enough incentive to continue running a relay?
Saw it. Maybe yes. Seems to work for some.
I think that #nostr currently as that option for social media postings is just mimicking the past (old style of internet-accounts with a centralized database, media streams, opinion sharing…) as any new technology first just copy the old dying blueprint.
See e. g. the first cars - built after the blueprint of a horse-buggy.
It‘s so far a really small bubble of hyped bitcoiners using it as twitter-clone with mostly custodial micropayments.
Not thinking that 4chan, insta, twitter or tictoc goin to die soon or anything like that but maybe the main benefit of nostr is something else that crystallizes out of the blue in a few years. Backend for ecash, tor or a coinjoin substitute. Some layer for something I can‘t even comprehend or imagine right now.
It’s nice to control your own data in a time where data is controlling you but remember that most people do not care about their data … until it is too late. Not at all. Only ~ 1 % of humanity has even any interest in privacy.
I have no idea what nostr really is what nostr can become in the future and it might be far far away from it‘s current state/usage/look.